Rabinoz, let's try to keep this thread a bit more focused on atrugeek4u's specific questions. If you want to counter his point that there is no proof for a globe earth, just provide links to the relevant threads. As good as it is, you don't need to post your entire presentation on the shape of Australia in every single thread.
Seconded.
OK, I was actually replying to
Nice intro, you are most welcome.
I agree, earth is flat. Your move roundlings.
There are little problems of time zones and things that sometimes prevent speedy replies. I suppose I not only do I have to walk around on the ceiling, I should really synchronise with your time. Theses are just the difficulties one faces when living "down under".
I guess all that would change if
I believed in a Flat Earth.
But never mind, I will try to answer the OP concisely - mind you reviewing what I have written, I clearly failed. The trouble is each point our so-called "atrugeek4u" makes would need a substantial post to answer.
The Heliocentric Globe was developed over roughly 2,000 years based on the observations and measurements of numerous people and you try to dismiss it in a few paragraphs - clearly you are missing something.
Anyone who went to 5th grade in any country knows that its not possible for the earth to be a globe!
It's so easy for someone to say "Anyone who went to 5th grade in any country knows that its not possible for the earth to be a globe!",
but not so easy to counter that in few words.Yes, quite possibly! Though I would have said 1st grade, but then I have seen a little of the education in other countries.
It has been written: "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things".
Surely when we grow up should expect to understand these things better and see that the earth simply is not flat!
The earth looks pretty flat, and that's what ancient civilizations that never travelled far thought too.
But, why is it "not possible for the earth to be a globe"? You haven't told us!
All the so called scientists have never proven the speed of our "spinning ball! that we live upside down in some parts of the earth, distance to the sun, size of the sun!
That is rubbish! Around the end of the nineteenth century the "Marine Gyroscopic-Compass" was invented to find true North, rather than Magnetic North, as in various forms is still widely used. "Marine Gyroscopic-Compass" relies on the earth's rotation to work. "Gyro-theodolites", also relying entirely on the earth's rotation are used in mines and tunnels.
There are now numerous very high precision gyroscopes that can not only accurately measure the earth's rotation, but detect slight variations due to the movement of the oceans (yes, a slight change in the centre of gravity of the earth minutely changes the earth's axis).
The distance to the sun was for a long time a difficult one. It was known to be a long distance, but was first measured after the distance to Venus was found. Clearly I cannot go into all the detail of this here!
But, the distance to the moon has been measured directly (ie not using parallax methods) by Radar as early as 1945, and later by Laser. The distance to the planet Venus has been directly measured by radar.
We certainly know
exactly how fast the earth rotates and the distances to the moon, Venus and the Sun.
If you don't accept these measurements, then
I would say that is your problem, not mine!that there is gravity!
Really! But there is no way to answer this in one or two words!Yes, there is gravity! and the evidence for gravitation there!
Cavendish and the numerous others performed measurements that directly measured gravitation.Some have accused Cavendish of knowing the answer beforehand and quessing the Universal Gravitational Constant "G". But, he never set out to measure "G", but to "weigh the earth" - find its density.
Newton before him, had no way of knowing this density so he estimated that it might be about the same as the surface rocks - roughly 2,900 kg/m
3.
This was all the information Cavendish had to start with. His result of about 5,500 kg/m
3 surprised everybody,
but his results have been shown to be within about 1%. Not that bad for such a difficult experiment!
Of course once the mass of the earth was known "G" could easily be found, so Cavendish effectively measured the Universal Gravitational Constant G.
Now before you dismiss Cavendish (as so many Flat Earthers try to), just remember the value of G determined from the Cavendish experiment was within 1% of the currently accepted value.
You don't get that close by accident! His result was verified in 1873 and there have been many modern version done to improve the accuracy.
There have been numerous versions of the Cavendish experiment performed since then.
See
What did Henry Cavendish Measure? « on: March 14, 2016, 04:53:13 PM » for more detail.
this is the sma(wot) scenario as the king who wore nothing and believed he was in a great suit until the kid spoke out! Why are people so afraid of change! The shperical earth has no proof! people just got punished for saying flat and that was it! woof.. We had our spinning ball! no one wants to listen objectively!
No, I really think you need to look closely at what you are wearing (on get an innocent child to tell you).
You say "people just got punished for saying flat and that was it! woof" -
please come up with a little evidence. People (including Galileo) were punished for claiming that the earth was "not the centre of the Universe". The "shape" of the earth was never an "Article of Faith" in the Catholic Church, but the Earth being at the centre of the Universe. Look at
The Magisterium Rules: The Debate is Over – In 1820, Pope Pius VII decreed that there are “no obstacles” nor “any difficulties” for Catholics to hold that the earth moves. Two years later, the Holy Office even decreed that there would be canonical punishments for any Roman censor who refused to allow publication of books supporting the motion of the earth. - See more at: Prepare for the Fringe Geocentric People
Simple question! ARE YOU SITTING UPSIDE ON A SPINNING BALL?? Just lay down on your lawn and take a look up! for once trust your eyes! when science fails , u are to rely on your intuition
First impressions are not always the right ones. And in any case there are numerous things that you can observe just by taking careful note of your surroundings.
Maybe I was a bit "wordy", but go look in
WHY IS EVERYONE BENT ON PROVING THE EARTH IS FLAT « Reply #4 on: May 13, 2016, 02:38:53 AM ». Some of these you can see with your own eyes, others need a telescope etc.
Again I apologise for the length, but if anyone else can answer this sort of thing compactly, please tell me how!