Offline Muslim

  • *
  • Posts: 8
    • View Profile
Re: Islam & Flat Earth
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2017, 09:29:17 AM »
If you like I can take the OP and debunk it in a very basic manner using nothing but language if there's any genuine interest.

It would only be fair to the OP you are discrediting. And as I said, I don't have any deep knowledge of the Quran, but from what I've studied from the torah and the bible it is very ambiguous as to the shape of the Earth. Nowhere does it definitively describe the Earth as a sphere or a flat plane.

@TheTruthIsOnHere Yes sure. Let me type it up briefly

@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Offline Muslim

  • *
  • Posts: 8
    • View Profile
Re: Islam & Flat Earth
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2017, 10:07:56 AM »
Quote
They ignore everything regarding Flat Earth quotes which we all know.

- Qur'an 15:19
"And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. "
Spread out does not mean flat. It indicates vast expanse. According to two major commentaries (Jalalyn, Asab an-Nuzul) it doesn't mention like a carpet. One suggests "Spread out over water" hence the mention of mountains like pegs to hold the Earth from swaying beneath us violently. The enormity cannot be ignored at all when it comes to Earth.

Also, what is the need to state "spread out" as an accomplishment? It's only worth a mention when the reality is different to what is perceived.

Conclusion: This verse does not state the Earth is flat nor does it indicate that it's flat in it's entirety. There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat to everyone where in reality it's spread out to appear flat and to a certain extent (radius) it is flat.


Quote
- Qur'an 20:53
"He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others. "

- Qur'an 43:10
(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);

- Qur'an 50:7
And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-

- Qur'an 51:48
And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: How excellently We do spread out!

- Qur'an 71:19
And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)

- Qur'an 78:6
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse

Now you'll see all these verses have the same outcome of the above. None of it states that the Earth if flat completely in its entirety.

Quote
- Qur'an 79:30 [THIS HAS DOUBLE MEANING, Some say Dahaha which is spread out, or stretch, and other say Dahaha the verb from Dahiye, which is ostrich egg, which can mean (as they say) that the Earth is an egg shape, an ostrich egg shape.
But it's obvious in my opinion, that Dahaha belongs to the normal verb, it's not usual to use a verb out of a name, especially in this ostrich egg shape verb.

Ostrich egg is not in any major commentaries. It cannot be taken in any argument.

So again, "spread out"

Quote
Many Islamist apologists attempt to deflect criticism that the Qur'an promotes the mistaken belief of a flat earth by the word dahaha used in Qur'an 79:30, commonly translated as ‘spread’ or ‘stretched’.

This proves that the original poster has done no research and simply copy pasted this from somewhere else who was actually trying to prove that Islam says the Earth is flat. The original poster didn't even bother reading through it to remove this statement from the original articles that he pasted.

And to answer that: "Many" "Muslim Apologists" (not Islamist) do not deflect criticism. The translation is "spread" or "stretched" and none of those describe the entire Earth as flat. And the author even debunked himself in the following which again the OP forgot to remove.

Quote
Most of Qur'an Translators said it's Stretched, which belong to flat earth theory, and not the egg shape, as following:

Qur'an Translations
Yusuf Ali: And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse); [4]
Pickthal: And after that He spread the earth, [4]
Arberry: and the earth-after that He spread it out, [4]
Shakir: And the earth, He expanded it after that. [4]
Sarwar: After this, He spread out the earth, [4]
Hilali/Khan: And after that He spread the earth; [4]
Malik: After that He spread out the earth, [4]
Maulana Ali: And the earth, He cast it after that. [4]
Free Minds: And the land after that He spread out. [4]
Some translations have attempted to translate the word dahaha to mean made egg-shaped or like an ‘ostrich egg’.

Khalifa: He made the earth egg-shaped. [4]
QXP: And after that He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and made it spread out egg-shaped. ('Dahaha' entails all the meanings rendered (21:30), (41:11)). [4]

Transliteration: Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha
Literal: And the earth/Planet Earth after that He blew and stretched/spread it. [4]

Quote
- Qur'an 91:6
By the Earth and its (wide) expanse

This also doesn't suggest flat in its entirety.

To anyone trying to use the Quran to prove it's wrong or that it says the Earth is flat, stop making such pathetic attempts. It's embarrassing.

Re: Islam & Flat Earth
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2017, 05:09:11 PM »
@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.

Offline Muslim

  • *
  • Posts: 8
    • View Profile
Re: Islam & Flat Earth
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2017, 07:07:17 AM »
@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
Cheap tricks. Not gonna work. As I said, you're not worth the time. Good day

Re: Islam & Flat Earth
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2017, 02:18:17 PM »
@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
Cheap tricks. Not gonna work. As I said, you're not worth the time. Good day

What on earth are you talking about? What cheap trick? Using colors? I can show you how to use it if you want. Then we will be on an even playing field.


[color=red]red[/color]


red

Offline Muslim

  • *
  • Posts: 8
    • View Profile
Re: Islam & Flat Earth
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2017, 03:52:40 PM »
@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
These are typical cheap tricks. Like I said, it's not gonna work. Good day

Re: Islam & Flat Earth
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2017, 09:05:21 PM »
@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
These are typical cheap tricks. Like I said, it's not gonna work. Good day

Heh. Denial about going into denial. Denialception. Nice.

(I do appreciate your more in-depth response covering the interpretation of each verse.)

Offline Xenku

  • *
  • Posts: 1
  • If there's a will, there's a way.
    • View Profile
Re: Islam & Flat Earth
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2017, 12:21:13 PM »
Hi @Muslim ,

I too came across this thread through a Google search and I am curious. With all respect, before I ask my question, I am not saying that you claim or didn't claim something or anything. I would just like to know if you knew of any verses in the Quraan that indicates that the Earth is a sphere?

Thank you

I have registered just to reply to this as it shows up on Google.

The above is all rubbish.

Firstly, there's no mention in the Quraan that it's FLAT.

A carpet or turf can be laid out on any terrain even if it's arched. It doesn't have to be flat. To compare and say a carpet cannot be laid on a football is just ridiculous and you wouldn't deserve a reply on something so daft.

It's mentioned as a great gift in the verses the fact that the the Earth is spread out so wide that we can live on it. So it looks flat, but it's not and the Quraan does NOT say it is flat.

I have asked scholars, here you have cowboys pretending to be scholars and speaking on behalf of Muslim's beliefs.

We do not believe the Earth is flat.

Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.