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If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« on: February 05, 2016, 01:41:56 AM »
Just a question I have, and I only really came here to ask this. Not sure if it belongs here, so mods please move it if it isn't meant to be here.

EDIT: I can take a picture of it when it is over my hometown next, you can see a picture of what it is supposed to look like here:
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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2016, 02:15:34 AM »
I see a grainy spec in the photo. Not exactly sure what the point is.
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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2016, 02:18:06 AM »
I see a grainy spec in the photo. Not exactly sure what the point is.
It's what the ISS looks like, here are some more photos:

From DiscoverMagazine
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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2016, 02:19:24 AM »
All that from binoculars, huh?

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 02:25:13 AM »
All that from binoculars, huh?

Was just going to ask that same thing... And where I can obtain a pair...
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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 02:26:06 AM »
All that from binoculars, huh?
Yes, I've seen it without binoculars and it is just a white speck moving fast. It's only about 250 miles up, and you should be able to see that far with binoculars. If you use a telescope it is harder to catch it but the improved magnification should let you clearly see it. There are no viewings until past the middle of this month for where I am, but I will take a picture of it with my telescope when I can.

EDIT: Found a video of the ISS from the ground, it looks like what I remember it looking like when I saw it:
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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 02:39:11 AM »
I mean no disrespect, but it looks like a speck of light. 
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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2016, 02:40:33 AM »
I mean no disrespect, but it looks like a speck of light.
That's what I said, it is a speck of light. I posted that to show what it looks like without binoculars/a telescope. With a telescope you are able to see it far better.

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2016, 04:43:14 AM »
Kind of odd that something that is supposed to circle the Earth every 90 minutes won't be visible for several weeks.

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2016, 04:46:03 AM »
Kind of odd that something that is supposed to circle the Earth every 90 minutes won't be visible for several weeks.
It's the inclination, it is inclined like this:

It passes over my city I live in when the Earth rotates under it's orbit and when it is over us.

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2016, 04:53:29 AM »
Kind of odd that something that is supposed to circle the Earth every 90 minutes won't be visible for several weeks.
It's the inclination, it is inclined like this:

It passes over my city I live in when the Earth rotates under it's orbit and when it is over us.

Jora is justified in his assertion. If the ISS is in that orbit, traveling around the world every 90 minutes, that means it is making that circuit 8 times a night (assuming 12 hour nights) as the earth spins beneath it. That means North America will pass under it, Europe will pass under it, and Asia will pass under it during that time.

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2016, 06:07:33 AM »
I can make and upload a video with an example of what I'm talking about and showing why it can't be seen. It does cross over Asia and Europe but it is at the wrong point in it's orbit to be visible, and the Sun has to reflect off of it for it to be able to be seen. It has viewing windows at some times due to this, they can be seen here: http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/view.cfm?country=United_States&region=California&city=San_Diego#.VrQ7ra876rU

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2016, 09:54:17 AM »
@ Tom and jroa

Inclination and altitude determine how long it would take for an object orbiting to pass over the same point on the Earth.  I know you do not accept a RE, but it fits with in the RE model. 

A object in a equatorial orbit would be visible similar to what I think you are pointing out.

The ISS orbit inclination is 51.6 degrees.  The ISS right now is over the Pacific Ocean somewhat west of California.  In 92 minutes it will be further west of California.   

I find it hard to believe if you are trying to disprove the Earth is round you do not understand the orbit inclination and altitude determines how often an orbiting object would pass over the same point on a RE. Seems you would need to have an understanding of this kind of stuff to know it is impossible.

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2016, 01:52:19 AM »
Looks fake to me. ::)

Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2016, 03:02:23 PM »
So to ask a simple question, do flat earthers generally not believe in satellites at all?

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2016, 04:00:46 PM »
Just a question I have, and I only really came here to ask this. Not sure if it belongs here, so mods please move it if it isn't meant to be here.

EDIT: I can take a picture of it when it is over my hometown next, you can see a picture of what it is supposed to look like here:



Has it went over your hometown yet? We're still waiting for your personal photo of the ISS through Binoculars

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2016, 05:46:25 PM »
I find it hard to believe if you are trying to disprove the Earth is round you do not understand the orbit inclination and altitude determines how often an orbiting object would pass over the same point on a RE. Seems you would need to have an understanding of this kind of stuff to know it is impossible.

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2016, 05:51:56 AM »
Just a question I have, and I only really came here to ask this. Not sure if it belongs here, so mods please move it if it isn't meant to be here.

EDIT: I can take a picture of it when it is over my hometown next, you can see a picture of what it is supposed to look like here:



Has it went over your hometown yet? We're still waiting for your personal photo of the ISS through Binoculars
It has, but could not capture it. Currently it is only visible during the morning for a while, not sure about later this month, though.

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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2016, 04:00:03 PM »
There are several online resources to help you find the ISS in the sky.  My favorite is the ISS Astroviewer
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Re: If the Earth is flat, why is the ISS observable with binoculars?
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2016, 04:19:39 PM »
Posted this image a few times now, took it with my phone in Copenhagen. At this point it was directly over Frankfurt IIRC, that's as close as it ever gets to where I live
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