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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2015, 03:30:33 PM »
The clear choice is Hillary. She's not perfect, but Trump... Trump. C'mon.
I don't think he's actually going to win the primaries. If he is, you're fucked either way. In one corner you have a crazy old hypocritical man, in the other, a crazy old hypocritical woman. It basically makes no difference.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2015, 03:42:07 PM »
Ladies and gentlemen, the president of the United States of America, Tony Abbott.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2015, 04:07:50 PM »
I'd rather not see Hillary get the nomination.  She has far too much baggage at this point.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2015, 04:17:01 PM »
The clear choice is Hillary. She's not perfect, but Trump... Trump. C'mon.
I don't think he's actually going to win the primaries. If he is, you're fucked either way. In one corner you have a crazy old hypocritical man, in the other, a crazy old hypocritical woman. It basically makes no difference.
I would rather have somewhat somewhat crazy than someone who's...you know...Trump.

Hillary will basically be Obama 2.0, I think, maybe just a bit more liberal. I mean, I'd rather Bernie Sanders won, but if we have to have either Trump or Hillary I'd rather go with the one who's not Trump. I feel that's a safe bet in all cases.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2015, 04:18:15 PM »
I'd rather not see Hillary get the nomination.  She has far too much baggage at this point.
She knows where the kitchen is in the Whitehouse, though.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2015, 04:43:06 PM »
Hillary [...] a bit more liberal.
I don't think an outspoken Christian fundamentalist and opponent of LGBT rights will count as more liberal than Obama.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2015, 04:47:35 PM »
When did she say things that make you say that? All I've heard recently is her being pro-LGBT.

But even if that's so. In terms of what she personally thinks, maybe she won't be. But I don't think that'll have that big of an effect on what she actually does in office. If she's adopting a pro-LGBT persona now that LGBT acceptance is becoming a much wider thing, I don't think she'll do a huge, polarizing 180 once she's in office.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2015, 05:45:34 PM »
All I've heard recently is her being pro-LGBT.
"Recently" being the keyword. That's also why I describe her as "hypocritical". She was very happy to spout her homophobic remarks until she started campaigning, at which point she's suddenly become oh-so-supportive. (And definitely didn't proceed to commercialise the fuck out of her "support").

There are plenty of examples out there, but here's one to set the tone:



But even if that's so. In terms of what she personally thinks, maybe she won't be. But I don't think that'll have that big of an effect on what she actually does in office. If she's adopting a pro-LGBT persona now that LGBT acceptance is becoming a much wider thing, I don't think she'll do a huge, polarizing 180 once she's in office.
Similarly, you could argue that none of the crazy shit Trump says will affect what he does in office. Either of these arguments would be entirely faith-based.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2015, 05:46:49 PM »
That's true, and I'm not claiming to know how either will go. I just personally think Hillary would do less damage than Trump.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2015, 05:51:46 PM »
I just personally think Hillary would do less damage than Trump.
I'm not trying to defend Trump or side with him (God, please don't think I am...), but I honestly don't view either of them as better or worse.

My current hope right now is that one of the less crazy Republicans will get elected, since the Democratic primaries seem to be set in stone.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2015, 05:52:40 PM »
Well, that's fine. :]
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2015, 06:21:02 PM »
w0w, what an eloquent speech, Hillary.

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« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2015, 06:50:28 PM »
Besides an evolution of views from eleven years ago, what are the major reasons people think Hillary would make a poor leader? She has extensive legislative and executive experience, she knows domestic and foreign policy, she has access to top advisers in literally every area from her years of experience in a variety of areas.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2015, 06:55:26 PM »
Besides an evolution of views from eleven years ago
Just because I picked an example from 2004 does not mean her views were evolving since then. She took a massive u-turn in 2013. I wonder why.

what are the major reasons people think Hillary would make a poor leader? She has extensive legislative and executive experience, she knows domestic and foreign policy, she has access to top advisers in literally every area from her years of experience in a variety of areas.
Having experience is one thing. Being trustworthy, representative, and not outright evil is another.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2015, 08:40:56 PM »
And by foreign policy, I suppose you're referring to the deal with Iran, which did nothing more than crush our oil industry and piss off our only major allies in the Middle East. 

We got nothing in return. Iran and their allies still hate us and the only thing keeping them from getting nukes is the UN, the same UN who can't even find official evidence that Israel has nukes.

She also aided in pushing through the affordable Care act, which is a joke. Socialized healthcare isn't a bad idea, but our implementation of it is a disaster. She'll never admit it.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2015, 09:19:50 PM »
I'm hoping for president Sanders. I'd be okay with Hillary, since she seems competent and being a good person is not a prerequisite for being a good president, and I can't find a republican candidate who doesn't seem insane in some way. Rand Paul would be passably acceptable, since most of his crazier schemes would never actually get past congress.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2015, 09:36:04 PM »

From an outsiders point of view the Republicans scare me most with their connection to the religious bampots, I can't see any future if a country is still shackled to a 2,000 yr old superstition, on that ticket alone I would have to be a democrat, has Trump come out with his beliefs? I know fuck all about him other than his scary visage and the fact he tried to buy Scotland to build a big golf course.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2015, 09:47:45 PM »
Iran and their allies still hate us and the only thing keeping them from getting nukes is the UN, the same UN who can't even find official evidence that Israel has nukes.

Israel never signed the NPT, so the UN could hardly be investigating them for signs of nuclear weapons.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Race
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2015, 09:57:11 PM »
Israel never signed the NPT, so the UN could hardly be investigating them for signs of nuclear weapons.

They do, however, officially claim not to have them and have had UN inspectors visit before, none of which found evidence of a nuclear program. Israel is still a member of the UN, and simply because they have not signed the NPT does not render them immune to the UN. They, like everyone else, think the UN is a joke, and rightly so.

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« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2015, 10:19:46 PM »
And by foreign policy, I suppose you're referring to the deal with Iran
Or the four years as Secretary of State. Or her extensive diplomatic efforts as First Lady.

She also aided in pushing through the affordable Care act, which is a joke. Socialized healthcare isn't a bad idea, but our implementation of it is a disaster. She'll never admit it.
The Affordable Care Act wasn't socialized health care. Also, she was Secretary of State at the time, which focuses on foreign, not domestic, policy.

They do, however, officially claim not to have them and have had UN inspectors visit before, none of which found evidence of a nuclear program.
First of all, the inspectors are from the IAEA, not the United Nations. The distinction is worth noting. Also, they have refused IAEA inspectors numerous times in the past and evidence has indicated they have developed nuclear technologies that have weapons-only applications.

Israel is still a member of the UN, and simply because they have not signed the NPT does not render them immune to the UN.
It does, however, mean they do not have to abide by the NPT.

Having experience is one thing. Being trustworthy, representative, and not outright evil is another.
Can you find me an example in her long history of public service that she has been outright evil?
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