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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #220 on: April 05, 2016, 06:06:51 PM »
I'm getting a "404" whenn I search  on "the flat earth society". Has it been shut down permanently ?

No, it's experiencing technical difficulties.
And no one know when it'll be fixed...

Know.

Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #221 on: April 05, 2016, 07:12:35 PM »
I'm getting a "404" whenn I search  on "the flat earth society". Has it been shut down permanently ?

No, it's experiencing technical difficulties.
And no one know when it'll be fixed...

Know.
I was typing in a car.  But fixed now, thanks.

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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #222 on: May 21, 2016, 01:44:55 AM »
I am probably telling tales out of school, but there was no request to keep the following confidential.
I had noticed a "separation". In particular John Davis only posting on "TheFlatEarthSociety" and "Tom Bishop" only posting here,
but the depth of the division has completely taken me by surprise.

t f e s are all the trolls that left our site. They tried to take over the site a while ago because they were not happy that Daniel was president and wanted to usurp him; they started their own by tarnishing our brand and trademark.

They have no interest in spreading the truth and simply confine themselves to their little forum where they make up fake groups like "The Zetetic Council" in an attempt to appear legitimate. In reality, this just reveals them for the trolls they are. They are 95% of the UA believers and for the large part they don't believe the earth is flat but are similar to groups like Leo Ferrari and Kay Burns Flat Earth Society of Canada which uses our beliefs as to mock us and the modern gullibility of man.

We were first and we are the legitimate society. This is evidenced by our widespread influence in articles, interviews, academic works, and books.  We have banned mention of their site on ours because they performed a coordinated attack on us as well as spammed our forums with links to their site to increase their natural link back rate and to raise our bounce rate. Additionally, they purposely caused many of the problems our site was having at the time in an effort to move people from here to there while simultaneously legitimizing their supposed platform. Oddly enough, once they left, people stopped complaining about thousands of issues they had caused and we were able to maintain legitimate discussion again. Additionally, they stole the content of our wiki, largely derivative work of Daniel himself.   As such we will soon be discontinuing our wiki which they left as a mess of incoherent garbage that often puts down the flat earth rather than discusses it. To add insult to injury, they again tried to bolster their rank through black hat methods by spamming wikipedia with links to their site. Apparently they didn't realize their society has no legitimacy and still don't.

We are on good terms, but make no mistake - they are the enemy of the Flat Earth Movement. If anybody is a shill, a term I really dislike using, its them. They have done more to hurt the flat earth society than any other person in our two hundred year history. The only reason we don't pursue legal action against them is because if they are over there, we don't have to worry about them causing trouble here.

They are the most despicable type of person and in my eyes are terrorists to the Flat Earth.

I have not had the history in either site to form an opinion as to rights and wrongs, but any acrimony like this does cause pain. Even though I am not sympathetic to the aims of either site I don't want it to end this way.

I had better not say any more, but as one who finds that the Heliocentric Globe completely satisfying it is eminently easier to debate the Flat Earth position if it is united.

So, purely for selfish reasons (as well as my dislike of any acrimony) I do hope the groups get together and reach a consensus on "Flat Earth theory".

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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #223 on: May 21, 2016, 03:33:55 AM »
I think I speak for most when I say that John's incredibly harsh feelings are one-sided. I have no idea what's caused him to be so abrasive and acerbic recently, but a good chunk of us have been open to discussing terms of reunification, and none of us have said anything remotely as rude and unwarranted about him as he has about us. It's disappointing, but if that's how John wants to be then that's his prerogative. I harbour no ill will towards their site, so its unfortunate that he seems to want to distort facts to paint a bizarrely evil portrait of ours.
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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #224 on: May 24, 2016, 08:54:56 PM »
I have no harsh feelings towards tfes.org. I like the majority of you quite well. My words were quite harsh, and perhaps its because recent talk about you has reopened some old wounds. I apologize and I clearly went overboard.  That said, its water under the bridge. Its clear you had legitimate reasons for the split. I apologize for my recent 'tirades' against your site - they in retrospect are a bit unfair. I also apologize for the lies. While I'm sure they weren't taken very seriously, I threw around some words I shouldn't have and that were quite frankly lies and not fair.

Pongo will be polling interest in our users to see if this is still an option if your users are still interested as well. If it is, I have the power necessary to make it happen. Most of our moderation is against it, but if the administrators agree, Daniel agrees, and the users do it makes sense.

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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #225 on: May 24, 2016, 09:31:02 PM »
No thanks.

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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #226 on: May 24, 2016, 09:50:59 PM »
As stated on IRC, I am still interested in reunification discussion, so hopefully it goes somewhere. :]
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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #227 on: May 24, 2016, 10:13:43 PM »
Really?

You want Daniel's shit logo?
You want Daniel in charge of T-shirts that never arrive?
You want Wilmore doing the social media in the most anti-social way possible ... by ignoring it.
You want John Davis in charge of site updates?
You want their moderators moderating as well, despite the fact we booted Jroa?
You want to be told to fuck off every time there is a site issue and no one wants to fix it?
You want to lose month after month of posts due to incompetence?

We left because they couldn't run a bath over there, but they want to control every aspect and prevent anyone else doing anything useful. We left for a reason. I know its a long time ago, and that deadens the fury and rage that prompted such a drastic move, but nothing has changed. It is the same people in charge. Davis, Wilmore and Daniel. And they are no more available now than they were back then. Those 3 are the problem. They are the root of all the problems over there. Until they step down, there is nothing to negotiate about.

Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #228 on: May 24, 2016, 10:21:11 PM »
I've been told not to take you seriously, so I won't. Who can I assume is my contact in these matters?

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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #229 on: May 24, 2016, 10:30:29 PM »
Its me. All questions should be directed to me. I will be making all decisions.

Seriously, why are you here? Slither back to .org.

Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #230 on: May 24, 2016, 10:51:24 PM »
I'm here because I said I was open to talks about unification, and I am. I'm here because I care about the Flat Earth and the Flat Earth Society.

I fully realize that both our user bases may not be interested. So I'm also here to find out if yours is. From my brief talks on irc, it seems like you are interested but we would have to renegotiate terms.


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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #231 on: May 24, 2016, 11:01:28 PM »
If you guys are exclusively in charge on any aspect of the tech or the merch/membership, I'm not interested. You'll fuck off for 3 weeks and the site will be bust, things will break and you will never fix them, you won't give a shit when you lose 4 weeks of our posts and nothing will be updated ever. Also all our stuff looks better than yours. We don't want Daniel's logo. Or your new theme.

It doesn't really matter if Daniel is a figurehead, but why should we even concede that? He's had that title for over 10 years - UNELECTED, and stopped posting on the site 9 and a half years ago. He just needs to go. He isn't interested in it. The T-shirt thing is also a huge source of embarrassment. I get people on our twitter asking me when I'm going to send them a T-shirt and accusing me of scamming them! Why? Cos Wilmore hasn't updated your Twitter since February and no one seems to address S&C on your site.

But for the URL, you have nothing we want. You are just domain squatters.

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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #232 on: May 24, 2016, 11:16:18 PM »
You want Daniel's shit logo?
When did I say I did?

You want Daniel in charge of T-shirts that never arrive?
When did I say I did?

You want Wilmore doing the social media in the most anti-social way possible ... by ignoring it.
When did I say I did?

You want John Davis in charge of site updates?
When did I say I did?

Etc...I think you get the point. That's why I'm interested in reunification ~**discussion**~.
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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #233 on: May 25, 2016, 12:59:10 PM »
Thork, stop Thorking.

Personally, I'm in favour of reunification, but not on the same terms as previously suggested. We've grown a lot since the original draft has been proposed and it would be inappropriate for us to downgrade our services (mainly homepage, graphical design/branding, merchandise - apologies if I'm being too blunt, but we simply do these things better).
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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #234 on: May 25, 2016, 02:05:48 PM »
At this point, we are just gauging interest. Many of Thork's doomsday scenarios will simply not be applicable. However, others may. If we feel a high enough level of interest is achieved, we will see if we can work out a deal.
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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #235 on: May 25, 2016, 03:39:56 PM »
For some reason I'm with Thork. I don't want this to happen if the other site's admins have any control over anything important. They've dropped the ball too many times for me to have any real trust in them.
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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #236 on: May 25, 2016, 10:57:49 PM »
Our side forget how little they offer. We have all the things worth keeping*.

*Including a Thork. How many sites can boast having a Thork? Its such a unique selling point.

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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #237 on: May 26, 2016, 12:39:15 AM »
I'm for reunification in general, but I don't see it happening. Our setup is a well-oiled machine. It would be nice to get more noobs, but it isn't worth sacrificing how well this place is run to accomplish that. We just have better stuff.
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Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal
« Reply #238 on: July 09, 2016, 04:38:05 AM »
Can we unsticky this thread now? It hasn't been posted on in nearly two months and no meaningful conversation has taken place.
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