[sirjstan]

Space Conspiracy Question: When the space ships were supposedly in space where were they?

[Tom Bishop]

Nowhere. Space ships do not exist.

[sirjstan]

but didn't people see something fly up in the air (which NASA said were space ships)?

[Ghost of V]

but didn't people see something fly up in the air (which NASA said were space ships)?

No.

[Tom Bishop]

but didn't people see something fly up in the air (which NASA said were space ships)?

Mere props and fireworks.

[Rama Set]

but didn't people see something fly up in the air (which NASA said were space ships)?

Mere props and fireworks.

Mere speculation. Can you demonstrate fireworks which cause the sorts of shockwaves that Huntsville experienced during the Saturn V tests?

[Tom Bishop]

but didn't people see something fly up in the air (which NASA said were space ships)?

Mere props and fireworks.

Mere speculation. Can you demonstrate fireworks which cause the sorts of shockwaves that Huntsville experienced during the Saturn V tests?

Have you never felt the shockwave from a firework erupting a little too close for comfort?

[Rama Set]

Yes. It did not shatter glass from miles away. Neither do they look like plumes of that are continuously spewed for minutes at a time, nor is the bang from firework a process that continually creates acoustic waves for the entire time it is luminescent. There is basically nothing in the pyrotechnics of a firework that resembles a Saturn v ignition.

[Tom Bishop]

Yes. It did not shatter glass from miles away. Neither do they look like plumes of that are continuously spewed for minutes at a time, nor is the bang from firework a process that continually creates acoustic waves for the entire time it is luminescent. There is basically nothing in the pyrotechnics of a firework that resembles a Saturn v ignition.

The principles of rocketry in the rockets of fireworks are the same as those in ballistic missles and "space" rockets. What was experienced at Huntsville was little more than upscaled fireworks testing.

[Gulliver]

Yes. It did not shatter glass from miles away. Neither do they look like plumes of that are continuously spewed for minutes at a time, nor is the bang from firework a process that continually creates acoustic waves for the entire time it is luminescent. There is basically nothing in the pyrotechnics of a firework that resembles a Saturn v ignition.

The principles of rocketry in the rockets of fireworks are the same as those in ballistic missles and "space" rockets. What was experienced at Huntsville was little more than upscaled fireworks testing.

Just to point out the obvious flaws in your argument: 1) Gravity doesn't scale and 2) Just because a house of cards and the Great Pyramid at Giza use the same principle does not mean that building one is of the same effort (or result) as of the other.

[Rama Set]

Yes. It did not shatter glass from miles away. Neither do they look like plumes of that are continuously spewed for minutes at a time, nor is the bang from firework a process that continually creates acoustic waves for the entire time it is luminescent. There is basically nothing in the pyrotechnics of a firework that resembles a Saturn v ignition.

The principles of rocketry in the rockets of fireworks are the same as those in ballistic missles and "space" rockets. What was experienced at Huntsville was little more than upscaled fireworks testing.

That is like saying the bomb dropped on the bikini atoll was little more than a mortar shell. They are not comparable.

[markjo]

Yes. It did not shatter glass from miles away. Neither do they look like plumes of that are continuously spewed for minutes at a time, nor is the bang from firework a process that continually creates acoustic waves for the entire time it is luminescent. There is basically nothing in the pyrotechnics of a firework that resembles a Saturn v ignition.

The principles of rocketry in the rockets of fireworks are the same as those in ballistic missles and "space" rockets. What was experienced at Huntsville was little more than upscaled fireworks testing.

Tom, where can I get more information about these liquid fueled fireworks that you speak of?

[Tom Bishop]

That is like saying the bomb dropped on the bikini atoll was little more than a mortar shell. They are not comparable.

That would be an incorrect analogy. A motar shell is not a nuclear bomb.

But a fireworks rocket is a rocket and a space rocket is a rocket. All rockets work on the same basic principles.

Tom, where can I get more information about these liquid fueled fireworks that you speak of?

Why, do liquid fueled rockets operate at a fundamentally different principal than solid fuel rockets? Is an engine that takes diesel fundamentally different than an engine that takes unleaded?

[markjo]

Tom, where can I get more information about these liquid fueled fireworks that you speak of?

Why, do liquid fueled rockets operate at a fundamentally different principal than solid fuel rockets?

No, but then I don't know of very many people who refer to rockets larger than the Statue of Liberty as "fireworks".

[Rama Set]

That is like saying the bomb dropped on the bikini atoll was little more than a mortar shell. They are not comparable.

That would be an incorrect analogy. A motar shell is not a nuclear bomb.

But a fireworks rocket is a rocket and a space rocket is a rocket. All rockets work on the same basic principles.

Tom, where can I get more information about these liquid fueled fireworks that you speak of?

Why, do liquid fueled rockets operate at a fundamentally different principal than solid fuel rockets? Is an engine that takes diesel fundamentally different than an engine that takes unleaded?

That is like saying the bomb dropped on the bikini atoll was little more than a mortar shell. They are not comparable.

That would be an incorrect analogy. A motar shell is not a nuclear bomb.

But a fireworks rocket is a rocket and a space rocket is a rocket. All rockets work on the same basic principles.

You mistake my analogy. A firework is a rocket and a Saturn V is a rocket. A mortar shell is an armament and an H-Bomb is an armament. The analogy is that the scales are so vastly different between fireworks/mortar shells and Saturn Vs/H-Bombs that you cannot rationally mistake one for another.

[Tom Bishop]

Tom, where can I get more information about these liquid fueled fireworks that you speak of?

Why, do liquid fueled rockets operate at a fundamentally different principal than solid fuel rockets?

No, but then I don't know of very many people who refer to rockets larger than the Statue of Liberty as "fireworks".

They are rockets whose purpose is to dazzle and delight and to put on a display of illusions. I call those fireworks.

[Rama Set]

Tom, where can I get more information about these liquid fueled fireworks that you speak of?

Why, do liquid fueled rockets operate at a fundamentally different principal than solid fuel rockets?

No, but then I don't know of very many people who refer to rockets larger than the Statue of Liberty as "fireworks".

They are rockets whose purpose is to dazzle and delight and to put on a display of illusions. I call those fireworks.

Well that is awfully misleading.  You should not redefine words, it is called equivocating and renders your argument fallacious.

Regardless of what you define the intent of the Saturn V, it's observed physical effects are consistent with what the published technical specs say.

[Tom Bishop]

Nah, if they were running a fake space program they wouldn't create a Saturn V with the official specs, with the ability to reach escape velocity at 4 miles a second, with a mass of over 6.5 million pounds, filled to the brim with dangerous rocket fuel. They would have created an inferior version that only needed to fly out of sight.

It was a rocket masquerading as it's bigger brother in a show: A firework.

[Rama Set]

Nah, if they were running a fake space program they wouldn't create a Saturn V with the official specs, with the ability to reach escape velocity at 4 miles a second, with a mass of over 6.5 million pounds, filled to the brim with dangerous rocket fuel. They would have created an inferior version that only needed to fly out of sight.

Well we have evidence of the former and none for the latter.  Seems like the space program was real.

It was a rocket masquerading as it's bigger brother in a show:

Reasserting an evident falsehood does not make it true.

A firework.

An equivocation.

[Gulliver]

Nah, if they were running a fake space program they wouldn't create a Saturn V with the official specs, with the ability to reach escape velocity at 4 miles a second, with a mass of over 6.5 million pounds, filled to the brim with dangerous rocket fuel. They would have created an inferior version that only needed to fly out of sight.

It was a rocket masquerading as it's bigger brother in a show: A firework.

Just how much smaller could such a "smaller brother" be and still fly out of sight of the international press? How why to you refer to "reach escape velocity"? We've repeatedly pointed out your ignorance on this point. Please stop referring to escape velocity as though a rocket must reach that velocity for whatever reason you erroneously invoke it.