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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by WTF_Seriously on April 11, 2024, 10:16:32 PM »

Why is the Moon's shadow at the time of the Total Solar Eclipse placed elsewhere other than the plane of the ecliptic upon the earth? The time of the Total Eclipse should be where the Moon intersects the Sun on the Ecliptic.

The simple and obvious answer to this is because the earth's not flat with the sun and moon circling above it around a central point.  You've asked the exact question that proves the FE model false.

During a solar eclipse, the declination of the moon and sun are identical.  In the FE world that puts two objects of nearly equal size directly on top of each other over the exact same latitude line.  IF FE were true, at the time of the total eclipse totality must occur at a latitude equal the declination of both.  Having the time of the eclipse occur toward the polar latitudes is geometrically impossible.

It is the fact that you have objects orbiting and rotating on different planes that gives you the answer to your question.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The search for the Colombians comes to an end...

« Last post by honk on April 11, 2024, 07:30:29 PM »

A great tragedy has occurred as the true killers of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman will now go scot-free.

I'm a little confused about what this is meant to imply. Having already been acquitted once, O. J. was already guaranteed to never face criminal punishment for his murders no matter how long he lived. The only tragedy here is that O. J. didn't die a long time ago.

Also, everyone has the right to a vigorous and effective legal defense, even the obviously guilty. Blame the police and prosecution for bungling the case, blame the jury for arguably making a dumb decision, but don't blame the defense for being good at their jobs.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by Tom Bishop on April 11, 2024, 06:46:38 PM »

Yes, the RE Earth is tilted in relation to the Ecliptic, and the the area of the Earth deviates to the North or South a bit, but I still would not expect those shapes, locations, or angles the shadow appears and takes. In Round Earth Theory, during the Total Solar Eclipse the Moon is in alignment with the Sun and Earth, on the Ecliptic, so I would expect the shadow to appear on the line of the Ecliptic upon the Earth -- the plane of the Sun-Earth system.

I would expect the Total Solar Eclipse shadow to appear here on this path upon the Earth:



The Total Solar Eclipse occurs when the Moon is aligned with the Ecliptic and the Sun:

https://www.space.com/solar-eclipses-all-ring-shaped-future



Here is a Partial Eclipse, as seen from Earth:

https://rwoconne.github.io/rwoclass/astr1230/4.2-eclipses.html

"Viewed on the celestial sphere from the Earth, the node is where the Moon's celestial path crosses the ecliptic. See the diagram below (click for enlargement). Only if the Sun and Moon are both near the node at the same time can a solar eclipse occur. If the Sun and Moon are both near enough to the node but the alignment is not perfect, a partial eclipse will occur, as in the figure"



Why is the Moon's shadow at the time of the Total Solar Eclipse placed elsewhere other than the plane of the ecliptic upon the earth? The time of the Total Eclipse should be where the Moon intersects the Sun on the Ecliptic.

The "Path of Totality", where the Moon completely completely covers the Sun in Total Solar Eclipse, and the point where the Moon crosses the Ecliptic in the sky to the observer, is often visible to observers from a very odd shape upon the Earth. All of the observers on this darkened path see the Moon completely covering the sun in complete totality:

https://www.exploratorium.edu/eclipse/2024-total-solar-eclipse-guide



I understand the desire to obfuscate, but it is clear that there is something not explained here.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by AATW on April 11, 2024, 04:57:13 PM »

That's not an explanation for why it travels North-South. This is an explanation for why a line might appear straight on a globe and make those curves on a map projection. You drew the North-South line there, not explained how that could occur in RE with a Moon which moves East to West.

OK. But why is North-South movement an issue? The rotation of the earth is at an angle so while the shadow may go in a straight line in the East-West direction, that angle means the shadow isn't going to hit the earth at the same latitude as it does so. Plus as I said the earth is rotating as it does so, the ground speed varies by latitude so that adds some complication.
And as I said you get very wide shadows when eclipses appear near the poles - it's not the size of the shadow that's different (although that does change a bit as the moon's distance from us varies - hence annular eclipses when it's too far away to completely obscure the sun), it's the angle of the ground with respect to that shadow that changes.

There is some complication here, admittedly, but a lot of your issues with RE seem to come from you not understanding them and thus concluding they must be impossible.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The search for the Colombians comes to an end...

« Last post by Action80 on April 11, 2024, 04:12:05 PM »

A good read concerning this case is Outrage: The Five Reasons Why O. J. Simpson Got Away with Murder.

Highly suggested.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / The search for the Colombians comes to an end...

« Last post by Action80 on April 11, 2024, 04:10:05 PM »

A great tragedy has occurred as the true killers of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman will now go scot-free.

If there is a hell, this POS will now take his place next to Johnnie Cochrane and F Lee Bailey.

I remember the DNA evidence and what Barry Scheck had to say about it. The thing is, Scheck actually made his living getting people off death row due to the incontrovertible nature of DNA evidence.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/oj-simpson-dead-at-age-76-family-confirms-5626890?utm_source=RTNews&src_src=RTNews&utm_campaign=rtbreaking-2024-04-11-1&src_cmp=rtbreaking-2024-04-11-1&utm_medium=email&est=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa%2BcidhsJxcPN%2FrQut3NAH7F5ww0LIzwgbOIBKcVOYUPVwjDotRvn

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by Tom Bishop on April 11, 2024, 03:48:38 PM »

It mentions it just after 3 minutes in.

No, it doesn't explain it. This is what it says at the 3 minute mark, that straight lines will look like curves at another angle:

Angle 1:


Angle 2:


This does not answer why the lines move North-South. It answers a different question of why they might appear curved.

To understand this just put Google Earth in Globe mode, define some straight lines across the globe and then go back in to map projection mode. Voila:



Basically, it's a 2D line - the shadow path - mapped on to a 3D object - the globe - which is also spinning. And the rate of that spin varies with latitude.

It's a bit complicated, but if you look at the example at just after 3 minutes in to that video you can have a go yourself to help you understand it. A lot of your FE belief seems to stem from you not understanding the RE model and thus declaring it impossible.

That's not an explanation for why it travels North-South. This is an explanation for why a line might appear straight on a globe and make those curves on a map projection. You drew the North-South line there, not explained how that could occur in RE with a Moon which moves East to West.

Also, the below are not map projections. The lines do not appear straight or consistently curved here:

http://eclipse-maps.com/Eclipse-Maps/Welcome.html

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by AATW on April 11, 2024, 03:00:18 PM »

That video is titled "Why Do Eclipses Travel WEST to EAST?" and does not attempt to even explain the North-South movements.

It mentions it just after 3 minutes in. To understand this just put Google Earth in Globe mode, define some straight lines across the globe and then go back in to map projection mode. Voila:



Basically, it's a 2D line - the shadow path - mapped on to a 3D object - the globe - which is also spinning. And the rate of that spin varies with latitude.

It's a bit complicated, but if you look at the example at just after 3 minutes in to that video you can have a go yourself to help you understand it. A lot of your FE belief seems to stem from you not understanding the RE model and thus declaring it impossible.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...

« Last post by Tom Bishop on April 11, 2024, 11:28:26 AM »

The Solar Eclipse eclipse paths on a Flat Earth make more sense to me than the Solar Eclipse paths on the Round Earth.

I think I've identified the issue.
This is a bit complicated but this video does a reasonable job of explaining it:



The headline is that straight lines when mapped on to a globe aren't straight when shown on a 2d map projection.
And the earth is rotating at different speeds at different latitudes, which complicates things.
Also note that the width of the eclipse path changes with latitude. The size of the shadow isn't different, it's just that the angle of the earth's surface with respect to that shadow is different which means it can be seen over a wider area.

That video is titled "Why Do Eclipses Travel WEST to EAST?" and does not attempt to even explain the North-South movements. I am not asking why the eclipses travel West to East. I am asking why they make North-South movements, and make shapes like this:



Not only is there North-South movement, there many of them there is also a point of inflection, with one concave and one convex arch and where the eclipse changes direction.

The shapes are quite radical on a Round Earth, and there appears to be a lack of a coherent explanation for what is occurring here:

http://eclipse-maps.com/Eclipse-Maps/Welcome.html

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on April 11, 2024, 04:06:23 AM »

"The former president owns a majority stake in the company and his stake was valued at about $2.9 billion on Monday, down from a peak of over $6 billion after its debut on its trading debut."

It sounds like Trump's stake is still worth billions. This still appears to be his most profitable venture, and appears to be a doing lot better than most business ventures.

Which he can not sell until September.  So its not very helpful wealth to have.


That being said, I think it's telling how $3 billion(after a 50% loss) is his most successful venture.  Of course if it loses more value over the next two weeks, might underperform his casinos.