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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Newbie Questions~
« Last post by Rounder on May 27, 2017, 05:50:43 PM »
are there any large/popular "facts" that the society does not believe in?
The society is a big tent, with no uniform set of beliefs, making this somewhat of a trick question.  Any popular fact one might offer in answer to your question will have a spectrum of acceptance/rejection among the FES.  For example, many of the FES here reject gravity, but by no means all of them.  Many hold to some variation of the Gleason map found in the wiki, but by no means all of them. 

That said, I think it is fair to say that anyone who holds to a flat earth must reject both the commonly taught sizes and distances of objects in the solar system, and the moon landings along with space flight in general (as those simply cannot work as described, if the earth is flat and the moon and sun are both small and close)
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by honk on May 27, 2017, 05:00:37 PM »
I can't argue with this logical, well-reasoned takedown.
There's nothing to take down - that's the entire point. By your own admission, you subscribe to a conspiracy theory which, at this point, does not have any evidence to support it. It's also based on online memes. Meme-conspiracy is just a useful shorthand for it.

Until the situation changes (either your views adjust to the evidence available to date, or evidence emerges which yields your ideas some credence), I'll keep laughing at you for pursuing the left-wing equivalent of Pizzagate.

It's an ongoing investigation based on the multiple undisclosed contacts between Russian and members of Trump's campaign/administration, compounded by Trump's many lies and efforts at obstruction. That's more than enough to warrant an investigation - which you apparently agree should happen, an idea that seems somewhat at odds with your belief that it's all nonsense. If you disagree with what I'm saying, then actually rebut me. Explain what it is I've said that's wrong and point out what's right. Just repeating the word "meme" doesn't help anybody.

What in saying is, you have no idea if the PM of Montenegro in any way contributed to this, or if it was an inside joke or if Trump was truly being a douchebag. Instead of focusing on important shit, like the content of the meeting, you are not-picking body language that could play out in a number of ways, some of them potentially positive. Some cultures admire and respect shows of strength, some don't and you can't be sure if this is a net negative or positive. So this just joins the ever-present chorus of ineffective criticism that makes criticism of Trump easier and easier to tune out.

My first instinct was to respond to this with something along the lines of "lol," but being mindful of what I just said above, I'll use facts rather than ridicule. No, I don't believe that this was any kind of friendly or cultural gesture, because if it was, Markovic would logically have pointed that out rather than just dismissing it as not being a big deal.

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Personally I care way more how Trump deals with international policy than if he wasn't super polite in a photo op.

Then you're holding him to a shockingly low standard, one that's only going to get lower as his term continues. You wouldn't tolerate someone you barely knew doing this to you, yet you've managed to convince yourself that it's okay when the president does it to another head of state.
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So it seems there are plenty of different ideas of the shape of the earth and what surrounds it.

I've seen sources claiming it's flat or that it's a kind of bowl shape.

Some people believe in the firmament, while others disagree.

Is there an ice wall or aether surrounding the planet?

Some claim there are lands beyond the known Earth, while others think there is a defnitive edge.

What I wanna know is what are the most likely theories. Obviously a lot of them are speculative, some are based on math and observations.

But they can't all be true. So which is most likely, and why?

It just depends on which FE you talk to.
Maybe Tom Bishop would be the most likely.
He seems to have an answer for every thing.
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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« Last post by Rama Set on May 27, 2017, 02:47:17 PM »
Apparently the Spurs are after CP3. I'm surprised they would make this kind of win-now move.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Rama Set on May 27, 2017, 02:46:18 PM »
Oh, diddums, are you still upset about your conspiwacy theowy not being all that popular?

b-but the emails guys right haha? right? the emails thing justifies my bush-did-9/11-level stuff somehow yes???

I can't argue with this logical, well-reasoned takedown.

Tell me, do you have any context behind Trump's interaction or are you operating on instinct here?

All Spicer and Markovic have offered for context is that it was a group photo and Trump's assigned position was in the front. Combined with the video showing Trump not taking the time to spare even a glance at Markovic, but instead hilariously thrusting out his chin and tugging on his suit before addressing someone else, this strongly indicates that there's nothing more to this than Trump's usual obnoxious behavior. You're right that it's nothing new for him, but it's not something I'm willing to turn a blind eye to.

What in saying is, you have no idea if the PM of Montenegro in any way contributed to this, or if it was an inside joke or if Trump was truly being a douchebag. Instead of focusing on important shit, like the content of the meeting, you are not-picking body language that could play out in a number of ways, some of them potentially positive. Some cultures admire and respect shows of strength, some don't and you can't be sure if this is a net negative or positive. So this just joins the ever-present chorus of ineffective criticism that makes criticism of Trump easier and easier to tune out.

It reminds me of when Trudeau was criticized as being toxic masculine for pulling his MP through a barricade of opposition MPs. People ignored the childish and unethical delay of parliamentary business in favor of a mostly inconsequential physical action. Personally I care way more how Trump deals with international policy than if he wasn't super polite in a photo op.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The distance between the sun and the earth
« Last post by Boodidlie on May 27, 2017, 02:44:01 PM »
Well let's see now .... according to the RE ....
the Sun disappears below the horizon at a west Sunset because the Earth is rotating away from the Sun .... twill arise in the East hours later
WOW !!! now how difficult was that ?? ... truth indeed has an element of simplicity to it .... no wiki needed
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The distance between the sun and the earth
« Last post by Oami on May 27, 2017, 02:33:22 PM »
http://wiki.tfes.org/Sun

Yes, it says "approximately 3000 miles", which, if true, could be anything from 2500 to 3499 miles. The uncertainty with this value is 16,7 %. Since the procedure is pretty simple, doesn't it bother that there isn't anything more accurate?

With that out of the way, I personally do not believe in a dome/firmament, so naturally I would deny his assertion.

Thanks for the answer. So, the light should travel on straight paths (at least close enough) like in the diagram on the first post of this thread: so calculations should indeed be easy.

The problem is that in the diagram there are two methods to calculate the distance, one based on the apparent size and one based on the apparent height: and these two give very different answers.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by SexWarrior on May 27, 2017, 02:25:23 PM »
I can't argue with this logical, well-reasoned takedown.
There's nothing to take down - that's the entire point. By your own admission, you subscribe to a conspiracy theory which, at this point, does not have any evidence to support it. It's also based on online memes. Meme-conspiracy is just a useful shorthand for it.

Until the situation changes (either your views adjust to the evidence available to date, or evidence emerges which yields your ideas some credence), I'll keep laughing at you for pursuing the left-wing equivalent of Pizzagate.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Lord Dave on May 27, 2017, 02:08:22 PM »
Guys shoving another world leader is no big deal. I mean it was just the prime minister of Montenegro, it's not like he punched Angela Merkel or anything. You need to put it in perspective.
Nah.
He'll grab her by the pussy.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Roundy on May 27, 2017, 01:45:43 PM »
Guys shoving another world leader is no big deal. I mean it was just the prime minister of Montenegro, it's not like he punched Angela Merkel or anything. You need to put it in perspective.