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Flat Earth Community / Re: The flat Earth and the equinox

« on: April 10, 2017, 02:03:40 AM »

Tom, I'm not talking about round earth theory either.  I'm talking about the observations my by human being for thousands of years in which they recognized the equinox in various places all over the earth.  They even could predict it with the astrolabe with according to you predated the round earth theory.  Please show me some evidence that the earth, round or flat, doesn't have 12 hours or more of sunlight all across the globe.  I'll take any link that you have.

Well, these humans aren't doing a very good job of keeping track of things if there is nowhere we can go to verify these observations.

Tom, show me some proof that what I stated in wrong.  If you and I are to get to the truth of the matter then you need to show scholarship yourself.  You seem to be implying that all the time and date websites are posting inaccurate predictions.  Do you have any proof that their predictions are inaccurate?  Anybody claiming they are false? Have you personally checked to see if they are right for your location?  Have you ever measured the day length at your latitude on equinox? I have for mine.  They have been dead nuts on.  Secondly, there are many youtube videos of people who have checked the equinox for themselves.  Would like me to stack those in this thread?  Would you watch them?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The flat Earth and the equinox

« on: April 10, 2017, 01:42:27 AM »

We are well aware of the Round Earth Theory. None of those links show that all parts of earth receive 12 hours of daylight on the equinox.

Tom, did you read the links?  They all state the whole earth receives at least 12 hours of sun on equinox.  Secondly, the equinox observation have existed long before any official round earth theory.  They even could predict it with the astrolabe with according to you predated the round earth theory.  Please show me some evidence that the earth, round or flat, doesn't have 12 hours or more of sunlight all across the globe on equinox.  I'll take any link that you have.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The flat Earth and the equinox

« on: April 10, 2017, 01:05:54 AM »

I asked for evidence that all points on earth received 12 hours of sunlight and I got an round earth equation. How does that help us?

Can you show me anything....and I mean anything that states that the sun is not up for at lease twelves hours over the entire earth at each equinox?  Anything please.  Sorry, if your questioning was actually genuine because of a lack of knowledge.  I just assumed that you had done some serious historical and present research about the equinox.  The equinox and the observed day length is far from a modern concept.

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/AO/sunrise.html
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/equinoxes.php
https://darkskydiary.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/equinox-equilux-and-twilight-times/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinox

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The flat Earth and the equinox

« on: April 10, 2017, 12:49:46 AM »

Can you explain how people all across the globe see the sun for at least 12 hours but the sun doesn't​ cover at least half of the disk?  The only places that see the sun for more that 12 hours are very near the poles.  Can you help me understand? 

I can't for some reason load the sun animation .gif.

Can you link us to the evidence that all points on earth experience exactly 12 hours of daylight on that day?

Pay attention to the green zone in the link below.  Notice that the every latitude experiences twelve hours of sun on the equinoxes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hours_of_daylight_vs_latitude_vs_day_of_year_cmglee.svg

This page seems to suggest that the diagram was based on an equation. Can you do better?

Tom, there is no need to do better.  The ancient calender's from various parts or the word were based on the "equinox" schedules and built their celebrations around.  The Gregorian (international), Bengali, Iranian, Indian, Julian (international), Coptic, and many oriental calendars all made the observation that the night was as long as the day twice each year.  In fact, your beloved astrolabe predicts it.  I feel no need to try to convince you of that reality.   The internet is covered with statements that the day is at least 12 hours in length all across the earth.  I took the time to measure at 44N latitude this year and measured 12 hours 8 minutes.  Have you measured it before at your latitude?

When is comes to truth there is no burden of proof.  If you place the burden on someone else then you are rooted in your bias.  I think if you do your own research you will find that the entire earth experiences at least 12 hours of visible sun each day.  If you show me anything that says otherwise I will reconsider my stance on the issue.  I have not personally observed or seen anything written that states otherwise.  Have you?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up

« on: April 10, 2017, 12:02:48 AM »

No one is saying it's fake.  Several us went outside this week to see it for ourselves.  I'd did the string thing and I held up a ball next to the moon. The phases of the ball and the phase of the moon matched.  I'm just surprised you didn't go out and look at things for yourself.

If you are not calling him a liar and if you are not denying his observation of the moon phase not lining up with the sun, then how do you explain the event?

Tom, there have multiple explanations within your own thread here.  Did you not read them?  Secondly, you have never once given an explanation for why it happens on a flat earth.  What is the flat earth explanation for why the angles appear not to align?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The flat Earth and the equinox

« on: April 09, 2017, 09:36:45 PM »

Can you explain how people all across the globe see the sun for at least 12 hours but the sun doesn't​ cover at least half of the disk?  The only places that see the sun for more that 12 hours are very near the poles.  Can you help me understand? 

I can't for some reason load the sun animation .gif.

Can you link us to the evidence that all points on earth experience exactly 12 hours of daylight on that day?

Pay attention to the green zone in the link below.  Notice that the every latitude experiences twelve hours of sun on the equinoxes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hours_of_daylight_vs_latitude_vs_day_of_year_cmglee.svg

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up

« on: April 09, 2017, 09:16:39 PM »

Did you try it though?

I have not. But the straight line path is clearly not pointing towards the sun in that video and there is no reason to think that the video was faked. Gary provided some links showing that other people have seen this as well. I find no reason to call them liars, unlike some organizations which give us reason to.

No one is saying it's fake.  Several us went outside this week to see it for ourselves.  I'd did the string thing and I held up a ball next to the moon. The phases of the ball and the phase of the moon matched.  I'm just surprised you didn't go out and look at things for yourself.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up

« on: April 09, 2017, 08:39:26 PM »

Nice try, but Round Earth Theory can't claim that this is some kind of perspective effect that makes the sun significantly lower than it actually is. We are told here all the time that there are Sunrise and Sunset calculators that will predict the time of the sunrise and sunset in down to the minute under RET.

Tom, the sun is exactly where it's supposed to be, as is the moon. The optical illusion comes when you try to join them, you can't look at them both at the same time as they are opposite each other, when you do it with just your eyes the angle looks wrong, so you hold the string where the sun is and stretch it over to where the moon is and the angle is right, try it, simple empirical proof.

The person in the video in the OP already followed the straight line path to where the moon is pointing. It doesn't point towards the sun.

Did you try it though?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Wall

« on: April 09, 2017, 07:34:55 PM »

There is a 150 foot wall of ice at the coast of Antarcitca in the Round Earth model, too. In the Monopole model the disagreement is merely on the size and shape of Antarcia. In the Bi-Polar model there is no such disagreement.

An article on the Ice Wall: http://wiki.tfes.org/The_Ice_Wall

Except for the coastline segments that have no ice.
http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/science/soils-and-landscapes/antarctic-soils

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The flat Earth and the equinox

« on: April 09, 2017, 07:23:19 PM »

Can you explain how people all across the globe see the sun for at least 12 hours but the sun doesn't​ cover at least half of the disk?  The only places that see the sun for more that 12 hours are very near the poles.  Can you help me understand? 

I can't for some reason load the sun animation .gif.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The flat Earth and the equinox

« on: April 09, 2017, 07:08:47 PM »

Now, I've jumped around your video a bit after watching the first minute and it appears that your argument is along the lines of:

1) The illuminated portion of the Earth would be precisely of the shape of a half-circle
2) This would be very difficult to explain away

Of course, we know that 1) doesn't hold so the rest of the video seems a bit pointless.

I built the model from the data in the wiki.  The reality is the equinox has equal day and night.  That requires that half the flat earth be illuminated at one time if the sun covers it's rotation in a 24 period and the sun is visible for 12 hours.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The flat Earth and the equinox

« on: April 09, 2017, 07:01:10 PM »

It's only an unwritten convention in this community, but we generally don't appreciate threads along the lines of "Here's a 10-minute video. Discuss."

Say whatever it is you want to say. Don't expect for everyone to drop whatever they're doing to watch your video without any explanation.

No expectation.  Somethings are just easier to show.

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Flat Earth Community / The flat Earth and the equinox

« on: April 09, 2017, 06:39:48 PM »

I made a video to try and understand the mechanics of the flat earth map and the equinox.  I made it work using Tom's bendy light theory.  Any thoughts?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up

« on: April 08, 2017, 06:41:46 PM »

Tom, the sun doesn't look lower.  The angle between them just appear to not converge.  Tom, did you try the string like the rest of us?

What are you talking about? Does a plane not look lower when it is over head than when it is off in the distance?

That's a perspective effect. You are claiming that the 93 million mile distant sun is lowered due to a perspective effect. The hallway example, the ceiling example, those are perspective effects, something you are attributing this event to.

Here are some pictures of my living room.  When I look left (first picture) the ceiling line appears to point up upwards.  When I look right (second picture) the ceiling line appears to point upwards.   In reality neither points upward.  If the moon phase was in the left corner and at a right angle to the to the intersection line it would appear to point upwards from my perspective. In reality it would point directly to the opposite corner.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up

« on: April 08, 2017, 04:11:03 PM »

Tom, the sun doesn't look lower.  The angle between them just appear to not converge.  Tom, did you try the string like the rest of us?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up

« on: April 08, 2017, 04:05:49 PM »

Nice try, but Round Earth Theory can't claim that this is some kind of perspective effect that makes the sun significantly lower than it actually is. We are told here all the time that there are Sunrise and Sunset calculators that will predict the time of the sunrise and sunset in RET down to the minute.

The apparent​ angle difference has nothing to do with sunrise and sunset calculators.  The string is brilliant because it shows that the angles are actually congruent.

You can't claim that there is a perspective, or whatever, effect that is making the sun much lower to the ground than it actually is. This contradicts the claims that we can compute the position of the sun with Round Earth orbital models very easily.

Perspective isn't making the sun appear lower than it is.  Perspective makes it appear like the angles don't align between the moon and the sun.  Once you put a string between the two you see that the sting bisects each just like it should.  The same thing happens in a long hallway.  The ceiling appears to rise up when looking down each end.  In reality it is straight.  A string works in the hallway too.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up

« on: April 08, 2017, 03:56:02 PM »

Nice try, but Round Earth Theory can't claim that this is some kind of perspective effect that makes the sun significantly lower than it actually is. We are told here all the time that there are Sunrise and Sunset calculators that will predict the time of the sunrise and sunset in RET down to the minute.

The apparent​ angle difference has nothing to do with sunrise and sunset calculators.  The string is brilliant because it shows that the angles are actually congruent.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Ships, telescopes, the sun and the moon

« on: April 08, 2017, 11:39:05 AM »

If the horizon's edge is due to atmospheric opacity, then even on the clearest of days it should fade out slowly to a vanishing point line at eye level towards perceivable infinity
Instead, it cuts off cleanly when not obstructed by weather or landmass at an appreciable distance. This is consistent with a surface curving out of sight, not a flat plane. No law of linear perspective can contravene this.

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claim?

I would say that we often can a clearly defined horizon and simultaneously see objects that are still beyond the horizon line.  A great example of this is city scapes around the Great Lakes.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angle that the sun should be at sunset

« on: April 07, 2017, 05:44:59 PM »

You need to apply Tom Bishop's bendy light theory.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up

« on: April 07, 2017, 04:26:43 AM »

Don't assume then.  Go ahead and try it.

It is night right now and I would need to find a time when the moon and sun are both in the sky together. By the time this happens I will probably have forgotten all about your experiment. It is really up to you to perform your own proposed experiments if you are trying to prove something that might help your argument, not ask your opponent to.

They were both in the sky together today.  You don't even really need the moon to be up.  With the sun 40 degrees or so up to your right, hold a ball up to your left, note the angle of it's "phase" and then turn your head toward the sun.  You'll get the effect with the ball regardless if the moon is up.

Anyway, I already tried it.  That's why I know what the results will be.

I tried it today too.  The phase of the tennis ball was identical to the moon.