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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Private Space Companies
« on: February 21, 2017, 02:36:27 AM »
[Citation needed]

It's pretty common knowledge that NASA is very heavy on the contracting, just like the DoD is. Just look at any major job board and search for NASA jobs. Everything you find will be for a third party company.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Private Space Companies
« on: February 20, 2017, 09:14:40 PM »
There are two types of space companies. I will describe them briefly

Private Companies who work with NASA

Lockheed Martin, Grumman Aerospace, Computer Sciences Corporation, et. all... These companies are basically Temp Agencies who send people to NASA bases (maybe off-base in some situations) to do work under the supervision of NASA managers. The workers get a check from their Temp Agency, but receive their working instructions and marching orders from NASA. There are actually very few NASA employees. The only people who really work for NASA are the upper level managers and the security personnel. Everything else is temped/contracted out. There is generally no such thing as a NASA engineer or a NASA scientist.

This is what was Eisenhower and his administration meant by proposing NASA as a "civilian space agency".

Private Companies who do not work with NASA

These companies are basically throwing their money away for something that is not achievable. Maybe they can get to "space" for a small about of time, but certainly not into earth orbit, as it does not exist.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Problems with the Bishop Experiment
« on: February 20, 2017, 08:49:54 PM »
500x?  What was aperture?   All telescopes have inverted images unless a erecting prism is used.

I don't have the telescope anymore, couldn't say. It was done 10 years ago.

I don't think that refracting telescopes are inverted.

There are other small beaches in that area that point towards Santa Cruz.

I believe I used a reflecting telescope of about 500x. Everything was upside down.

What else would you like to know?
I think we all, Flat and Round, would like to know: Which of those "other small beaches" were you using?

There is an area nearby with a cement stairwell that leads down to a small beachy area. That whole area at the end of the peninsula is generally referred to as Lover's Point.

Also:
2. Do you still stand by this statement: "Even with the unaided naked eye one can see the beaches along the opposite coast."
3. Are you aware that the image linked to in your above statement is not an image of the Santa Cruz beach you were referencing?

My statement is correct. Its a picture of beaches along the opposite coast. I didn't say it was Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz would be at the leftmost tip, which that picture does not show.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Sun
« on: February 20, 2017, 11:18:08 AM »
Sorry. I thought you flat earthers had an answer to and for everything ? Except an accurate flat earth map ?

Our yearly budget is probably negative $250, or however much it costs to run this website for a year. We don't have the funds to explore the world and gather all of these answers.

Surely there should be some public service spirited volunteers in TFES who are experts in these fields who would donate their services at no cost as a public service to answer these questions ?

Now if these were "round earth" questions there are plenty of sources to get answers for free. For example, I have  visited and exchanged e-mails with Mc Donald Astronomical Observatory. They have always been ready,  willing and eager to answer questions.

Surely the FES would have similar places for information ?

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess that the Mc Donald Astronomical Observatory doesn't have a budget of negative $250 a year.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How do things fall?
« on: February 20, 2017, 02:04:22 AM »
Do people set up and join websites and societies where the primary subject matter is what caused existence? Not really. You simply accept that we exist and you should simply accept that the shape of the earth is what it is. Does it really matter?

I do simply accept the shape of the earth for what it is.

However, there are many people who should be more curious about the world. Round Earthers choose to disbelieve their own experiences in favor of media hype like dogs to the whistle.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Sun
« on: February 20, 2017, 01:58:03 AM »
Sorry. I thought you flat earthers had an answer to and for everything ? Except an accurate flat earth map ?

Our yearly budget is probably negative $250, or however much it costs to run this website for a year. We don't have the funds to explore the world and gather all of these answers.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Problems with the Bishop Experiment
« on: February 20, 2017, 01:39:49 AM »
There are other small beaches in that area that point towards Santa Cruz.

I believe I used a reflecting telescope of about 500x. Everything was upside down.

What else would you like to know?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How do things fall?
« on: February 19, 2017, 09:06:37 PM »
Does it really matter whether the earth is flat or globe shaped?

That is the primary subject matter here.

I don't see why it matters what mysterious phenomenon causes things to fall, however.

We want to know why things fall down for pretty much the same reason we are curious about the shape of the earth and all the other phenomena we observe.

I think it is just part of human nature to want to know.

Do people walk around all day racking their brains all day about what caused existence? Not really. You simply accept that we exist, and you should simply accept that things fall.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Sun
« on: February 19, 2017, 09:02:20 PM »
I would like to know what force is moving the sun and moon in a circle above the earth? If "gravity doesn't exist" then what causes the sun follow the circular path that the flat earth model describes? I have not yet seen an explanation for this.

Unknown.

The usual FE answer. LOL
On the flat earth, the earth stands still and the sun and the moon move around the earth.
IF the earth WAS flat, that is. Paraphraising the old Will Rogers saying, "All I know is what I read in the flat earth wiki and that's my excuse for ignorance." There are quite a few things that are "unknown" to FE's.6
They are both 32 miles in diameter and 3,000 miles above the earth, just under the ice dome above the earth.
They don't collide with each other since  " they wobble up and down."
I have also read that it has something to do with "the celestial gears."
On the round earth , the sun stands still and the earth  moves around the sun and the moon  moves around the earth . IF the earth IS round, that is.

Why do we have to know everything?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How do things fall?
« on: February 19, 2017, 08:16:09 AM »
Does it really matter whether the earth is flat or globe shaped?

That is the primary subject matter here.

I don't see why it matters what mysterious phenomenon causes things to fall, however.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How do things fall?
« on: February 19, 2017, 07:32:48 AM »
Does it really matter how things fall?

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Sun
« on: February 19, 2017, 02:36:10 AM »
I would like to know what force is moving the sun and moon in a circle above the earth? If "gravity doesn't exist" then what causes the sun follow the circular path that the flat earth model describes? I have not yet seen an explanation for this.

Unknown.

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Yes, hardly identical. One guy has blue eyes and straight teeth and the other guy has brown eyes and a gap in his teeth.

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Keep in mind, we still haven't been shown any good evidence that it was a cover-up in the first place. Is the existence of a few lookalikes really the only "evidence" that you have? In the spirit of the season: Sad! Weak! Terrible!

Because identical doppelgangers with the same name are so common?

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There's again no motive. Why would they fake a failure?

The motive is covering up a prop malfunction.
But why wouldn't they just cover up that there was any failure at all?

Millions of people saw an alleged space ship full of people blow up spectacularly on live TV. They had to do something about that.

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There's again no motive. Why would they fake a failure?

The motive is covering up a prop malfunction.

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Bahahahaa! This makes zero since. So they are still operating under their old SSN? And that's not riskier than trying to get their name changed? Or did they get them a new SSN, forge a work history, family history, but decided "nah, let them keep their old name"? Lol.

Alright, that's all the stupid I can handle for today...

The author of the article exposing the astronauts notes that he searched ancestry.com for SSDI death records for several astronauts and they were not found. A later update towards the bottom in May of 2015 he says that he was suddenly able to find SSDI records for the astronauts on Ancestry and hints at the possibility of the government modifying the SSDI records similar to another case.

Presumably the government did not file proper death records until people started to investigate this matter and they had to sound the alarms and cover up their sloppy mistakes, just as they have tried to cover up so many other mistakes.

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Which is why witness protection never bothered changing people's names either... oh wait. They did.

That would involve convincing other federal agencies to join in on your scam. Sounds risky.

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I noticed you deleted some stuff questioning Judith Reznik's past. In case you are still curious...
https://www.law.yale.edu/judith-resnik
https://www.law.yale.edu/system/files/documents/pdf/JResnik_Publications.pdf

She wrote and dated all of that herself. But it appears that most of her career achievements took place after 2000. Pretty late for an old lady like that.

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"Hey, what should my back story be?"
"Pretend to be a CEO. That should be easy to get away with!"
"Brilliant!"

He went back to school for an MBA. If he was as ambitious as he was in his past life, it follows that he would be a CEO in his new one.

These dead astronauts were reckless and ambitious and achieved too much. Now their pictures are plastered all over the internet.

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So good that they managed to pull off a massive conspiracy without being caught, but so incompetent that they would let the people whose deaths they faked just walk out and live public lives without changing their names or appearances? Lol, ok...

Again, in 1986 the internet was barely an email and bulletin board system, no one had any idea what it could become. None of this would have been discoverable back then at all. The technology of today was unimaginable. People were more anonymous back then. Simple instructions like move to another city and work in a different field may have seemed sufficient to an organization who had never really done this before. They may have even offered to pay to send them back to school.

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And "lie low"? Richard Scobee was a CEO even before disaster happened!

Did you think he would list "Dead Astronaut" on his bio?

Notice how he does not list the date of graduation from his university.

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Right, and you are making that call based on a 30 year timelapse between the photos? Lol. You are seeing what you want to see.

Towards the end of my source article the author attempts to look for birth records of those brothers on Ancestry.com, the most comprehensive genealogy website in the US, and found no records of their birth.

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Newspapers and TV's were a thing back then. This event was all over the news. Their names and faces were all over the news.

Yes, but no one was really looking for them, and trust in NASA was through the roof. They may have had them lie low for a while, and figured that everything would be okay. No one said that NASA was very good at this.

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Like I said, you are seeing what you want to see. Their voices definitely don't sound alike. Finding a picture of them making a similar facial expression is not particularly convincing.

This isn't just passing resemblance here. They are twins right down to that odd lip dip thing she has going on.

They have the same name, they look alike, and have the same facial ticks. It's more than mere chance coincidence.

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