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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 26, 2017, 02:25:59 AM »
According to the Wall Street Journal, Trump is planning to cut the top tax rate for owner-operated businesses from 39.6% to 15%, which would dramatically reduce taxes on Trump's real estate empire.

Lowering taxes has been part of the plan since the beginning and a huge part of his campaign. It's a big reason for why many people voted for him. Have you not been paying attention?

I'm having trouble seeing which part of Trekky's post indicates that he wasn't aware of this.  ???

Trekky is apparently not aware of it, since his implication is that Trump is lowering taxes to benefit himself; when in truth a major part of why people voted him in is because they wanted personal and business taxes lowered.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 26, 2017, 01:30:11 AM »
According to the Wall Street Journal, Trump is planning to cut the top tax rate for owner-operated businesses from 39.6% to 15%, which would dramatically reduce taxes on Trump's real estate empire.

Lowering taxes has been part of the plan since the beginning and a huge part of his campaign. It's a big reason for why many people voted for him. Have you not been paying attention?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 05:06:51 AM »
So what angle is the "dish" tilted at compared to the earth?

The tilt changes throughout the year, and I provided an illustration which shows what angles it tilts between. The apparent angles in the sky it moves between are listed in the left margin:




This "dish" is constantly tilting throughout the year, or rather wobbling, with the sun being a fixed location on that wobbling dish. This means that when the sun is low whatever is on the opposite side of the dish is high, and when the sun is high, whatever is on the opposite night side is low.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 04:37:18 AM »
Tom, I fully understand the change in the solar ecliptic throughout the year.  I'm looking for an explanation of why then planetary ecliptic declines while the solar ecliptic inclines.

If one side of a dish is tilted downwards, the other side of the dish will be tilted upwards. If the sun is low, the planets seen at night will be high.
You just stated that the "dish" was tilted.  What is the dish you are are referring to in the above quote?

The sun and planets are on the same "dish", or "plane," or whatever you choose to call it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 03:45:28 AM »
The gif you supplied is the apparent ecliptic of the sun.  What is the "tilt" of the planetary plane?

The sun and planets are one plane. Please follow along.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 02:36:55 AM »
Tom, I fully understand the change in the solar ecliptic throughout the year.  I'm looking for an explanation of why then planetary ecliptic declines while the solar ecliptic inclines.

If one side of a dish is tilted downwards, the other side of the dish will be tilted upwards.
By what degree?

The degree varies throughout the year. See the image I posted above. The degrees are listed in the left margin.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 02:34:24 AM »
Tom, I fully understand the change in the solar ecliptic throughout the year.  I'm looking for an explanation of why then planetary ecliptic declines while the solar ecliptic inclines.

If one side of a dish is tilted downwards, the other side of the dish will be tilted upwards. If the sun is low, the planets seen at night will be high.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 12:17:24 AM »
By what angle is the planetary plane tilted in the flat earth understanding?

The angle changes throughout the year. The Sun moving along the ecliptic:


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The Sun, moon and earth are also not literally at those distances or those sizes. It's a diagram for illustration purposes. Don't be so obtuse - like most flat earth theorists, you completely ignore the concept of scale.

If you read the rest of this thread you will find that we discussed an illustrated how an accurate scale would affect the scene.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 23, 2017, 10:19:00 PM »
Venus can sometimes be seen in the daytime: http://www.space.com/24667-rare-venus-daytime-sky-views.html

Also Jupiter and maybe Mars: http://earthsky.org/space/10-surprising-things-to-see-in-the-daytime-sky

This site has a video with observations of Mercury, Mars and even Saturn in the daytime: http://sky.velp.info/daystars.php

Those observations are in twilight, and even so, a twilight observation would have a slightly higher (or lower) ecliptic than a midnight observation. The solar plane of the sun and planets is tilted. It is tilted in RET as well, except that it is claimed that the cause is the earth being tilted.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 23, 2017, 09:58:03 PM »
Because he is so fragile nowadays that he can't stand to be roasted.

Trump's rallys are actually televised speeches to the american public to communicate his progress and intentions. That seems to me to be a lot more valuable, and a better use of his time, than attending some dinner party.
If he didn't spend nearly every weekend golfing, I might want to believe you. 

Trump spends his weekends working for the country by golfing with world leaders. How hard do you work on your weekends?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 23, 2017, 03:49:44 PM »
Because he is so fragile nowadays that he can't stand to be roasted.

Trump's rallys are actually televised speeches to the american public to communicate his progress and intentions. That seems to me to be a lot more valuable, and a better use of his time, than attending some dinner party.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 23, 2017, 03:46:42 PM »
North Korea is threatening nuclear war.
Congress is trying to get another Health Care bill through.
Protests continue in America.
The Taliban kill 100 Afghan troops.


Trump: I'm gonna have a Rally to mark my 100 days in officer!  YEAH!
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2017-04-22-US--Trump-Rally/id-a121c9abad2c4361964e18965129c89a

In case it went over your head, Trump is having this rally because the White House Association's dinner takes place on the same day.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up
« on: April 22, 2017, 03:16:49 PM »
No.  I'm not claiming that the "celestial sphere" effect is an issue of perspective.  The "celestial sphere" effect happens because the brain in unable to comprehend the depth or distance of the objects.

So the sun and moon changes physical distance and position in relation to each other because the brain is "unable to comprehend depth or distance"? You are going to have to explain that a little more. That sounds rather absurd.

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The sun and moon change their position compared to the horizon because the earth rotates.

Please flesh out this absurdity a little more as well.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up
« on: April 22, 2017, 04:22:27 AM »
Hey Flatout, this comment applies to you, too:

Quote from: Tom Bishop
Totally invalid video. Bad logic. The sun is a nearly steady 93 million miles away. How is it descending as it recedes from you with the same perspective mechanism as the end of a hallway?

You do realize that in order for a body to descend to perspective as it recedes from you it needs to double and quadruple and n-tuple its distance to you. Right? Don't be clueless.
I don't think that sun appears to be lower on the horizon because of perspective.  I believe that the angle between the sun and moon appear to not be congruent because of perspective.  You seem to be implying that the sun appears to be lower because of perspective.  My position is that the sun appears to be lower than the projected line of perspective when looking at the moon.  The two are very different.  The distance between the two objects is absolutely irrelevant.  This illusion would happen if the sun was 93 million miles away or only 3,000 miles away.

You are claiming that perspective is the cause for the "celestial sphere" effect. Descent and ascent of bodies in the "celestial sphere" effect on a body 93 million miles away, caused by the mechanism of perspective, is complete baloney!

In order for a body to descend in height as it recedes from you, it must increase its distance to you by many times. This is not happening with the sun as it passes across the sky. The sun is 93 million miles away from you, under the Round Earth model, at all times.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up
« on: April 22, 2017, 04:15:13 AM »
Hey Flatout, this comment applies to you, too:

Quote from: Tom Bishop
Totally invalid video. Bad logic. The sun is a nearly steady 93 million miles away. How is it descending as it recedes from you with the same perspective mechanism as the end of a hallway?

You do realize that in order for a body to descend to perspective as it recedes from you it needs to double and quadruple and n-tuple its distance to you. Right? Don't be clueless.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 22, 2017, 02:12:47 AM »
Junker, can I asked how the hypothesis in the wiki were developed?  I thought that zeteticism evolved from observation.  How was the statement that the planets revolve around the sun developed?

Empiricism. The retrograde tells us that it is revolving around the sun. If the planets were revolving around the northern hub they would not retrograde.
Gotcha.  Why does the planets ecliptic decline in elevation while the solar ecliptic increase in elevation?  When the solar ecliptic decrease in elevation after the summer solstice the planetary ecliptic at night starts to  increase in elevation.  Why?

The planets are only seen at night when they are on the opposite side of the earth from the sun. If the solar plane system is gradually tilting higher, with the sun constantly affixed fixed to its highest point, it follows that whatever is on the opposite side of that sun will be seen to be lower than what was recently seen. And vice-versa, when the solar plane system is tilting lower, with the sun constantly affixed to its lowest point, whatever is rotating in that system on the opposite side of the sun would be seen to be higher than what was recently seen.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 22, 2017, 12:19:53 AM »
Junker, can I asked how the hypothesis in the wiki were developed?  I thought that zeteticism evolved from observation.  How was the statement that the planets revolve around the sun developed?

Empiricism. The retrograde tells us that it is revolving around the sun. If the planets were revolving around the northern hub they would not retrograde.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up
« on: April 21, 2017, 11:43:48 PM »
Hello everyone, new here...

I found this video helpful... not sure if anyone else here will


Indeed it is, and such a simple experiment as well. No floppy strings needed.

Totally invalid video. Bad logic. The sun is a nearly steady 93 million miles away. How is it descending as it recedes from you with the same perspective mechanism as the end of a hallway?

You do realize that in order for a body to descend to perspective as it recedes from you it needs to double and quadruple and n-tuple its distance to you. Right? Don't be clueless.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up
« on: April 21, 2017, 05:05:55 PM »
Alright, I think I am caught up. I wouldn't mind giving it a go if/when I am thinking about it and conditions allow for it. However, regardless of outcome, why would this be evidence for either side? Seems to be explainable in either model.

Junker, it is an invalid experiment. You are replicating the direction, but not the angle of the moon. With the string you may end up making a path that connects the two bodies, but is not true to the angle of the moon:


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