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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How to make an FE map with accurate distances

« on: May 23, 2021, 06:26:36 PM »

The calculated of speed is s = d/t and requires a known distance. Distances are fundamentally in contention in this discussion

If you say that distances are in contention, then you must have some evidence, right?  Just give us all an example.  Saying something without any real world experience isn't satisfactory.  It's non-Zetetic.  My contention, after crossing the earth's oceans countless times, is that the distances ARE NOT in contention.  We know where those shallow reefs are.  Our scheduled arrival times after a voyage of many thousands of miles can be very accurate when King Neptune allows it and doesn't throw bad weather our way.  Without any examples or evidence your arguments just don't hold any water!     

These ships seem to have had trouble: https://wiki.tfes.org/Sea_Travel_in_the_South

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 23, 2021, 05:00:59 PM »

I'm glad you were able to make money in your youth, and I agree your advice is absolutely still applicable today, but that kind of employment environment simply doesnt exist anymore.

Sure it does. Have you ever seen the show Shark Tank? You know, the one where it appears that every 24 year old is making hundreds of thousands of dollars?

Well, it has always been that way, regardless of whether the year is 1951 or 2021.  A certain segment of young people take the motivation to either build their own company and product or can convince a company that they can improve their services or product significantly.

Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. He built skills and identified an opportunity on his own. Gates could have also dropped out to use his skills to help build an OS for IBM, to enjoy a relatively high salary and maybe some stock ownership for the rest of his life (but probably not resulting in becoming a billionaire). Many thousands of others did the same of joining companies to revolutinize them or by starting their own company to lesser, but still relatively significant success.

If you want to do a mindless activity day after day like a robot, well no, that's not going to make you successful, and it never has been that way. The best you can hope for with that tactic is to make enough to make a livable wage. And if you think that a degree guarantees success you are fooling yourself. You will most likely just be doing repetitive activities related to that field day after day at a slightly more livable wage. If you actually want the nice house you have to go out and do it yourself through your own ingenuity without relying on "going into a system".

No one is just going to "give" that nice life to you. You have to really and truly earn it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 23, 2021, 01:33:19 AM »

I didn't have a problem in my youth. I went directly to skilled office jobs and I didn't wait until I had a postsecondary degree. My earnings ranged from 4 times the federal minimum wage at age 16 to 14 times the federal minimum wage at age 24, without any postsecondary credentials at that time whatsoever.

Target a skill that is in rarity, build a resume, convince people that you are technically and professionally competent, pretend that you are teaching them something in an interview. Get a related professional certificate if you need a piece of paper for HR. Actually improve and add value to their company, or start your own company with those special skills you have accumulated, which I would expect a young talented person should be able to do competently and creatively by age 24.

Continue going to college, certainly, but it should ideally be for your own fun and education.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 22, 2021, 10:03:12 PM »

No more skills than are expected in a high school classroom or PE class, no. When you joint the military they train you on the specifics, just as McDonalds trains you for the specifics of that work. You aren't expected to know how to fire a bazooka to get employed by the military.

The drop out rate in basic training is only 11 - 14 percent; you don't need to be a world class athlete:

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/united-states-military-basic-training-attrition-4052608

"The Navy, Army, and Marines have recruits drop out at roughly the same rate as each other, between 11 and 14 percent annually. Contrary to what many think, the goal of officers in basic training isn't just to push recruits to drop out."

If young fast food workers wanted to pursue this and get better benefits, they largely could. The military is known for excellent tuition assistance. They just don't want to. They just want some quick cash with minimal commitment/travel/effort. That's all they are looking for. Lazy. That's why they are paid as they are. The pay for local fast food jobs is that way for a good logical reason, and not because of some grand scheme to enslave the destitute.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 22, 2021, 06:57:54 PM »

If low paying unskilled jobs didn't exist, we wouldn't have McDonalds, dumbass.

Are you aware that there are unskilled jobs that do pay a living wage? The simple fact is that you just didn't want to do them. You could have joined the military, become a police officer, fire fighter, gone into construction or roofing, sales, waste management, become a flight attendant.

But no, you wanted to stand around and push some buttons and put some things into machines and hand things to people. An "easy" job for a lazy young adult.

The people working in fast food typically have someone else paying for their living situation, and this is just a way to get some spending money for them. You were obviously incapable of selling burgers to people on your own, and had to rely on McDonald's reputation and brand and built up infrastructure to bring in the customers for your wages. You should be grateful that they offered that opportunity to profit off of their hard work.

And you did have a choice of being there. That's why you worked there for a short period of time and then left like everyone else after you had some time to get your bearings. You should be thanking them for feeding you in that situation and rough patch you were in, rather than complaining about it. No large employer will hire you for any kind of job with an attitude like that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 21, 2021, 03:41:54 AM »

As you pointed out, the majority of McDonalds employees are not teenagers so don’t make disingenuous arguments.

There are lots of adults who would like $25 to watch a dog for four hours too. If there were a source of that maybe you shouldn't knock their side job by screaming about living wage, insurance, minimum wage, etc. They know it's just a side job.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 21, 2021, 03:14:32 AM »

It sure sounds like those people working there had a choice over their work situation, considering that they tend to quit for better things after some short time. They are only using the job as a temporary in-between. It's not a career. It's not meant to support you.

Everyone knows that except for a few fakes, who create ridiculous scenarios where McD is enslaving people.

Ignoring minimum wage laws, if a teenager wants to accept $25 for watching a dog for four hours as they do homework one evening, why not? The teenager is in a position to where their living situation is financed by their parents and don't need to work a living wage. Obviously this is morally congruent to offer that and to accept that, and no one would really care or complain, even though that is below US Federal minimum wage. When the teenager actually wants to earn a living wage to support themselves they will go out and find that job, just like people leave fast food as soon as they can.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: In Flat Earth Model, How do Migratory Birds Navigate

« on: May 21, 2021, 02:30:08 AM »

There are some contradictory results to that:

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/pds/ceqa/Soitec-Documents/Final-EIR-Files/references/rtcref/ch9.0/rtcrefaletters/F1%202014-12-19_Emlen1975.pdf




If birds who haven't seen stars and are not around birds who have migrated/seen stars/done the migration, then those birds can't orient themselves North-South in relation to the stars. If the birds can't do it without this then it might not be genetic inherited knowledge that they naturally do as a survival mechanism. It could be learned tribal effect of limited veracity.


The author concludes, unsurprisingly, that despite all their efforts that they still don't know for sure how birds migrate:

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 21, 2021, 01:42:03 AM »

More evidence that fast food work is just a temporary job for people:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/29/fast-food-restaurants-in-america-are-losing-100percent-of-workers-every-year.html

Panera is losing nearly 100% of its workers every year as fast-food turnover crisis worsens

PUBLISHED THU, AUG 29 2019 8:45 AM

- Panera Bread loses close to 100% of its workers every year.
- For fast-food chains employee turnover runs as high as 130% to 150%, according to industry measures.
- McDonald’s is spending nearly $1 billion in 2019 to add ordering kiosks and other tech to stores.
- Some experts believe it is inevitable that fast food will be the first job sector ruled by robots.

If you think it sounds like a mathematical impossibility for a company to lose more than 100% of its workers every year, you’ve never worked in the fast-food industry. At fast-food restaurants, losing 100% of employees — and then losing still more of the employees hired to replace those workers — is a common, and worsening, labor problem.

The case of Panera Bread shows just how deep the employee turnover issue is for restaurant companies. Panera loses close to 100% of workers every year, and by fast-food industry standards that’s considered good.

“In the restaurant industry, turnover is 130%, turning over more than a full workforce every year,” said Panera bread CFO Michael Bufano at CNBC’s @Work Human Capital + Finance conference in July. “We are a little under 100%, but still a huge number.”

...

Abraham Pizam, chair in tourism management and the founding dean of Rosen College of Hospitality Management at the University of Central Florida, says his position is not popular among academic peers, but he is convinced the fast-food industry is on a path to be the first to fully automate.

Low wages, lack of career paths and an overwhelming belief among the working public that fast-food jobs should only ever be temporary all contribute to the worsening turnover issues. “You talk to an employee here in the U.S. and it is nothing to be proud of,” he said. “It’s a job until I graduate or until I’m back on my feet,” he said. “No one who thinks of a job as temporary is motivated.”

There are no other job segments in the U.S. that have higher turnover than the fast-food and fast-casual segments of the restaurant industry, according to DiPietro at the University of South Carolina’s School of Hotel, Restaurant and Tourism Management. “Not even retail.”

Yeah, some menial unskilled temporary job that people work at for a few months definitely needs to give leading insurance and wages. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 21, 2021, 01:15:58 AM »

Notice the link here has “en-us” and the one you posted has “en-gb”? Probably not. The very next card in the FAQ talks about how they are the largest first employer in... the UK.

It's the USA and UK website. There is not a USA-Specific FAQ. The number is either 20 or close to 20. US Bureau of Labor and Statistics says the median age of fast food workers in the US for 2020 is 22.4. Looking at those statistics by age shows that the bulk of the workers are aged 16 - 24. This trumps whatever source you are trying to dig up claiming that the average age of fast food workers is 27.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 21, 2021, 01:04:22 AM »

A source from U.S. Bureau of Labor and Statistics for 2020:

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11b.htm

Fast food and counter workers

[Number in thousands]

Total, 16 years and over: 655

16 to 19 years: 262

20 to 24 years: 166

25 to 34 years: 91

35 to 44 years: 55

45 to 54 years: 39

55 to 64 years: 31

65 years and over: 12

Median age: 22.4

Obviously it's mostly young people aged 16 - 24.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: In Flat Earth Model, How do Migratory Birds Navigate

« on: May 20, 2021, 11:53:55 PM »

No, actually those are just hypotheses. What experiment demonstrated that birds are studying the positions of stars while in flight?

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature13290

This is some fascinating research that proves in an elegant way that birds use electomagnetism to orient themselves in the direction they are supposed to migrate.

These birds kept in an urban lab would just bounce around in random directions, confused, but when taken to the countryside, the birds would know which way to orient themselves. They hypothesized that the electromagnetic 'noise' permeating the urban lab was responsible for disrupting the birds' ability to orient themselves in the direction of migration.

If a human was disoriented when you filled his brain with electromagnetic noise and disrupted his brain activity it obviously could be unrelated related to how humans navigate on a higher level. Correlation does not equal causation. There is a lot more to prove there.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 20, 2021, 11:39:15 PM »

Zippia? McD claims that the average age of an hourly employee is 20. Presumably we are talking about the cooks and cashiers earning an hourly rate.

https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/help/faq/18338-what-is-the-average-age-of-a-mcdonalds-employee.html

That’s the UK.

No, it doesn't specify that the age is only for UK restaurants. The mcdonalds.com website is also the USA website.



And if McD's statistics are wrong or don't apply to the US, it could be because in recent years they have been trying to hire much older seniors and retirees, skewing some averages since they are much older:

https://www.ibtimes.com/mcdonalds-hire-older-employees-aged-fifty-above-hopes-seniors-take-morning-shifts-2787757

Business
McDonald’s To Hire Older Employees Aged Fifty And Above, Hopes Seniors Take Morning Shifts
By Kalyan Kumar
04/24/19 AT 10:40 PM

Fast food giant McDonald’s is throwing open its workforce to people at 50 and above in a bid to address the shortage of young workers on morning shifts. The apparent shortage of adequate young workers on morning shifts will affect the breakfast and lunchtime business.

For the new initiative, the company has joined hands with AARP—a non-profit supporting aged Americans. Under the partnership, all U.S. job postings from Mc Donald’s will appear on AARP’s job board.

So just the opposite now, people who have spare time to earn some spending money.

It also says in that 2019 article:

"At present, 11 percent of the workers at McDonald’s restaurants are in the age band of 50 and above with teen workers constituting 40 percent of the workforce."

40 percent are teenagers. Young people clearly make up a very large percentage of the workforce.

It's a job for kids. Always has been.

But if you're in your late 20's or older and still working the kitchen and drive through at McDonald's, that's your own fault.

Classic retarded conservative talking point. Only an idiot thinks all of your employment conditions are under your control. Are you an idiot?

In most cases your employment conditions are under your control. People don't just wake up one day and find that they are highly paid programmers. 

Does the phrase "I'm alright, Jack" have any resonance for you?

Yes. The people wanting free education, housing, and medicine are acting only in their own best interest and not the interest of society who would otherwise have to foot that bill for them. Grow up and take care of your own self.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 20, 2021, 10:23:52 PM »

Zippia? McD claims that the average age of an hourly employee is 20. Presumably we are talking about the cooks and cashiers earning an hourly rate.

https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/help/faq/18338-what-is-the-average-age-of-a-mcdonalds-employee.html



But if you're in your late 20's or older and still working the kitchen and drive through at McDonald's, that's your own fault.

Well... it would benefit everyone in society so... I mean... not just personal.

I can afford insurance just fine. It's not going to benefit me if the government increases taxes to support people to supplement the lives of twenty year-olds with temp jobs and people who failed in life with this new massive socialized healthcare system.

You want to take from me and provide nothing in return? What a compelling proposal. 

I've seen this argument before.
Ok, tell me something: What is the progression of career that you think happens?  What kind of economic progress do you assume is the normal?

I think it's normal for people to pick up menial jobs early in life and work to make something better of themselves.

Also: Why is a job, that is needed, for "young people"?  You do know that McDonalds didn't start their business to give young people a job, right?  They started it to sell burgers.  And if young people don't take the job (as seen by the OP), the job doesn't get done(because older people can't love off the wages) and the restaurant closes.  So... why do you think its for "young people"?  Because the way I see it, its not FOR young people, but rather the only jobs(expanding to the service industry as a whole) young people are qualified to perform.

McD is a business and doesn't care if its workers are young or old. The workers trend younger because it is a norm to work menial unskilled jobs early in your career as you try to make something of yourself. McD managers know it's just a temp job. The workers know that it's just a temp job. I know that it's just a temp job. I'm not sure what your deal is.

If low paying unskilled jobs didn't exist then those young people would probably be leaching off of their parents even more than they are. It serves a purpose which the parents appreciate.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 20, 2021, 08:31:49 PM »

If you think that you will be going in to the Dr. on a more minor and regular basis to where you would spend under 10K in medical costs a year then there are alternative plans available. If you are a McDonalds worker and don't want a catastrophic plan then you get something like a mini-med plan:

... or you could take a small contribution from each taxpayer, each year, spend a little less on other govt spending, and finance a medical system where the general public don't have to worry about whether or not an illness will bankrupt them, and can just go to the doctor or hospital for free.

As was said earlier, your healthcare system is so totally and utterly effed up....

Oh, so the McDonald's employee has to change their entire government and health care system around for their personal benefit. Sounds like practical advice.

McDonalds is a stepping stone for most people, a job typically for young people to get spending money while they are in school and living with their parents, and not a career that is supposed to support them in whole. They know that it's just a temporary job for them. People in actual careers after McDonalds can afford normal insurance, and the massive socialized system that you think people in the US are desperate for quickly becomes unnecessary.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 20, 2021, 05:42:26 AM »

If you think that you will be going in to the Dr. on a more minor and regular basis to where you would spend under 10K in medical costs a year then there are alternative plans available. If you are a McDonalds worker and don't want a catastrophic plan then you get something like a mini-med plan:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/mcdonalds-fights-back-report-drop-health-care-plan/story?id=11764596

"Nearly 30,000 McDonald's employees currently participate in the plan, which provides a maximum of $2,000 to $10,000 a year in basic medical coverage at a cost of $14 to $32 a week, according to the company. Home Depot, Disney, Blockbuster, Staples and other big retail chains with large populations of hourly employees offer similar plans."

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 20, 2021, 01:13:26 AM »

Seems like its changed since I worked at McDonalds back in 2008.  But... not really buying it.
-I'd need to see the details of their medical coverage, for example, because it could have such a high deductable as to be pointless.  Or the cost for the employee (yeah, it'll cost em in the paycheck) is alot.

No, it's not pointless. The maximum costs for the insured are regulated. The total out-of-pocket expenses for an individual plan, including deductibles and co-payments, can't be more than $6,900 for an individual.

https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/high-deductible-health-plan/

For 2020, the IRS defines a high deductible health plan as any plan with a deductible of at least $1,400 for an individual or $2,800 for a family. An HDHP’s total yearly out-of-pocket expenses (including deductibles, copayments, and coinsurance) can’t be more than $6,900 for an individual or $13,800 for a family. (This limit doesn't apply to out-of-network services.)

These are catastrophic plans. If you have a serious health condition it can absolve you of medical bankruptcy, as the real costs for a serious health condition can easily run into six figures. Some people need that peace of mind that they are covered by insurance if the worst happens and that their family will not become bankrupt over it.

It is possible that the young people working at McDonalds already have housing and food to take care of their main needs through family, and only want benefits such as this and some spending money.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: McDonalds can't even pay people to interview...

« on: May 19, 2021, 05:01:33 PM »

https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/04/25/one-florida-mcdonalds-offers-50-to-anyone-who-interviews-for-a-job/

Short answer:
Unemployment pays more than McDonalds.  So why would anyone want to interview, get instantly offered a job, and lose unemployment?

Are you aware that jobs provide additional benefits than monetary compensation?

https://employeebenefit.info/mcdonalds-employee-benefits/

McDonald’s Restaurants offers numerous McDonald’s Perks and Benefits for its Employee which makes the staff happy and loyal towards the company. McDonald’s Restaurants offers the following benefits to its employees –

- McDonald’s Health Insurance, Dental Insurance, Occupational Accident and Life Insurance
- McDonald’s 100% 401 (k) plan and Performance-based bonuses
- Flexible Hours, Employee Discount, Job Training, and Tuition Assistance
- Family Medical Leave and Maternity & Paternity Leave.

So, if you are an employee at McDonald’s, then check this mcd employee benefits and Perks details which you can enjoy. Here is a brief account of McDonald’s Employees Benefits 2020.

If you have ongoing health issues you might want to keep the job to keep your benefits, even if those benefits are poor and only provide catastrophic coverage. That way you are getting paid enough to survive while living in your paren't basement and have benefits. With unemployment you get only the money to survive in your parent's basement and would have to use that survival money to pay for your own benefits without McD's help.

Also, unemployment has a time limit attached.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 19, 2021, 09:03:07 AM »

As the inauguration day loomed you leapt desperately from conspiracy theory to conspiracy theory.

Actually it's mostly you guys here propagating government conspiracy theories in which the evil republican government officials are producing fake audits to make it seem like there is fraud when Dominion and Joe "Fire the prosecutor or you aren't getting the money" Biden are truly as innocent as a newborn baby. 

Evidence for fraud has, and is, being presented. It's your position that it's all fake which has the lack of evidence.

Now here we are. It's May. Biden is the president. The rational thing to do would be to admit you were wrong. But, like the cult members, you double down and reframe things - now it's just the process takes a long time, you were right all along. Unless you're just trolling of course, I'm never sure with you.

It's May and there is much more evidence of fraud than there was in January. I would suggest looking at the audits that are occurring in multiple states, the upcoming audits that are being proposed, and Mike Lindell's documentaries. Your ranting seems to be mostly about yourself and your denial.

It took two years for the Justice System to kick out the Democrat who was elected via heinous voter fraud. They didn't just start that process on month 22 and zip through it in a couple of months like you thought should have happened in November. They didn't get through it before he was sworn in. You have an unrealistic and naïve outlook. Maybe you should show an example on how fast things like this should take rather than making baseless assumptions.

That was on the 13th, about a week and a half after the election. So back then you were claiming there was lots of evidence and it was immediately apparent. Remember the "it's coming in through a firehose" nonsense?
Now because all that fell flat you're reframing it as "well, of course all this takes time". The word "claim" is key there. Sure, they were "claiming" there was lots of evidence. But they had literally dozens of chances in court and had nothing which stood up to any scrutiny.

We already looked at the details of those court cases and they were not about fraud. Did you forget that? Or are you plugging your ears and lying to yourself again?

I'm fairly sure that we had the conversation that the cases were not about fraud multiple times. And nor were most of the cases dismissed on merit, but on procedural grounds. You failed utterly on that point, and admitted that you didn't actually know what the cases were about. A link was shown, describing all the cases, and they were not about fraud. They weren't about fraud because that obviously takes more time to prosecute compared to a rule violation.

Also, Trump did win a number of those cases, but the elections weren't overturned based on a rule violation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 19, 2021, 04:45:40 AM »

I'm not really sure what more there is to discuss on this. The PA Lawmakers were concerned about errors in government vote counting systems and in the later discussion with the election people they admitted to errors in government vote counting systems. The lawmakers probably didn't publicly bring that particular SURE discrepancy up again because the errors were already admitted to.

See these two quotes:

PA Lawmakers: Numbers Don't Add Up
Certification of Presidential Results Premature and in Error

Anderson added that often a voter will fill out a provisional ballot, but also mistakenly sign the poll book. So until the error is caught, there will be one less ballot than shown in the poll book totals.

He also said that, during the tedious two week process of manually scanning polls books and envelopes for SURE statistics, some ballots don’t scan, and a few manual errors are inadvertently made by overworked election workers.

Anderson assured Diamond that those errors will be caught and fixed in the SURE system in time for the next election.

Diamond ended by expressing his satisfaction. 'You’ve answered a lot of my questions, and I really do appreciate it.

It sure sounds like they mumbled some stuff about poll books and overworked election workers and basically finished with "you were right, there are errors, but we promise to do better next time" to me.