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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 05, 2020, 03:05:53 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/politics/trump-administration-memo-race-training-ban/index.html

I guess we've reached a point where Trump doesn't even care to hide his racist nature and that of his followers. Good for him.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 02, 2020, 02:27:10 PM »
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514726-trump-reiterates-call-for-drug-test-before-debates-claims-biden-is-on-some

This is just so weird. Even for Trump it seems to have come out of nowhere. I can't help but wonder if this has something to do with the speculation that Jr was on coke at the convention last week.

Nah.  According to the article, he did the same in 2016.  He's just doing what worked last time in the assumption it will work now.

Also, he doesn't understand the word 'practice'.

Oh it does say that. Heh. So it's just more Trump crazy.

It's funny, I remember in the 2016 debates there was speculation he was on coke. It's still funny that he made this demand immediately after the accusations toward his son.

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I think it's relevant to the cops who spoke with him on multiple occasions and never questioned the legality of his openly carrying a loaded rifle in an area of unrest.
Is it common/expected of American cops to ID people carrying weapons in the middle of a protest (or in any other scenario)? Not trying to call it right or wrong, just curious if it you'd expect it had it not been for hindsight.

I don't know if it's common or not, and I'm not saying everybody carrying a weapon should necessarily be ID'd. BUT, we take selling cigarettes to minors very seriously in this country; if you don't look like you're 30 years old, you're carded. I think this is a somewhat more serious situation. If it's not standard practice to make sure someone who looks like he could be a minor is allowed to be carrying his weapon it damn well should be.

Again, the kid is stated to have conversed with the cops on multiple occasions. It would have been nothing for one of them to say, "Oh, yeah, got some ID?"

And honestly the fact that there was rioting is irrelevant. This should be standard practice in this country period.

And in a country where it's honestly argued that racial profiling is good because it lowers crime... is it too much to ask that a white guy openly carrying a loaded gun get the same treatment?

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You kept repeating “The 17 year old”. Do you think that’s relevant to the acts of the people who chased him?

I think it's relevant to the cops who spoke with him on multiple occasions and never questioned the legality of his openly carrying a loaded rifle in an area of unrest. It's definitely a debatable point that he acted in self-defense given the footage on the tape, but if the police had done their jobs, rather than actively encouraging him, we wouldn't be talking about two people being dead and one wounded and whether or not it was self-defense. They are really the ones to blame for this. So whatever the case the incident undoubtedly rates as another example of the American police being out of control.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 02, 2020, 03:57:14 AM »
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514726-trump-reiterates-call-for-drug-test-before-debates-claims-biden-is-on-some

This is just so weird. Even for Trump it seems to have come out of nowhere. I can't help but wonder if this has something to do with the speculation that Jr was on coke at the convention last week.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 01, 2020, 09:15:40 PM »
Trump is a wanna be Stalin:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/trump-patriotic-education-406521

Fix the kids by teaching them America is the best.  Despite it, ya know, being terrible before Trump.

Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: September 01, 2020, 01:43:30 PM »
He has full blown dementia, and the evil Marxist cowards who could never get elected with their own wicked ideas are pushing a 'moderate' puppet. They don't care how undignified it is.

I don't understand how so much of the country is taken in by the party that is obviously evil. But I guess that's how Hitler came to power.

Actually Hitler rose in power by using fear tactics to scapegoat the destruction of parliament on Dutch immigrants (his party did it) to give the Chancelor extra powers, then became Chancelor by blaming all the problems everyone had on minority groups (immigrants, disabled, gylsies, jews,etc..), encouraging violence against them, then promising to 'keep them safe away from us' by loading them on Trains.

He wasn't obviously evil.  Also, you just described Trump.

It's crazy how often right-wingers, while trying to paint the Left as evil, end up just describing their own side. Projection seems to be a legitimate political tool in their eyes.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: September 01, 2020, 06:37:25 AM »
He did take too long to condemn it, and it was because he thought it would be politically advantageous. A drop in the bucket compared to the evil Trump inflicts on the country on a regular basis but it is a reminder that Biden is just another pandering politician at heart.

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The outright hypocrisy transcends the convention

I know right, its almost as bad as people saying church bad, riots are ok.

Who is saying that? I keep seeing conservatives saying that liberals are saying that, but never the actual liberals saying that.

Not Joe Biden, obviously. He's a devout Catholic.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: August 31, 2020, 05:00:55 PM »
No.  Its far more likely that the CEO did it themselves, hiding the bills in the company's finances.


Quote from: ex-Trump employee
and so I'm sure that came down from Trump.
Sure. Clearly you with your TDS having not been there, have a better idea than the guy it actually happened to.  ::)

The guy makes it clear in your quote that he's assuming the money came down from Trump. He states that it was the CEO who actually made the offer. But I guess you know better than the guy it actually happened to who didn't know himself.  ::)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: August 30, 2020, 06:31:29 PM »
Thork lives in a fantasy world. No incumbent President with a favorability rating under 48% has ever won reelection. Trump's has never gone above 42. Biden is still kicking his ass in the polls. There's simply no logical reason to think Trump has a better shot at winning right now.
Biden is only leading by 6 percentage points? Biden is toast.
https://time.com/4546942/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-lead-poll/

1) The US media is almost all left wing.
2) They know that many left-wing Americans are narcissistic babies and will only vote if they think they will win. Seems so many Americans hate losing that they won't vote for a candidate that will likely lose. The left are always told that they will win.
3) Conservative voters are much less likely to tell posters their voting intentions as left wingers tend to get violent.
4) Many young people (who are much more likely to vote left) tend to be very vocal about their voting intentions and then don't bother their arses to vote on the day. Same with the hispanic vote. 

It's weird that right-wingers in other countries would be in denial about the state of the election right now, but apparently even they can be delusional about where this is headed.

But I do love him for being there to help sow the seeds of fear. Thanks for the effort, Thork, it can only help.
Every election in the last 5 years that predicted a left wing vote massively over inflated their chances.

Trump 2016
Brexit
UK Conservative whitewash 2019

You guys won't learn.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shy_Tory_factor
The shy Tory factor is a name given by British opinion polling companies to a phenomenon first observed by psephologists in the early 1990s. They observed that the share of the electoral vote won by the Conservative Party (known colloquially as the "Tories") was significantly higher than the equivalent share in opinion polls.[1] The accepted explanation was that so-called "shy Tories" were voting Conservative after telling pollsters they would not. The general elections held in 1992 and 2015 are examples where it has dramatically affected the overall result, but has also been discussed in other elections where the Conservatives did unexpectedly well. It has also been applied to the success of the Republican Party in the United States.

+6% means you guys will get wrecked in the final reckoning.

Yes, yes. Keep sowing that fear! Democrats not showing up to vote is exactly what I'm afraid of in this election, and the Right's constant assurances that Trump will win despite what the polls say is the ideal antidote. Thanks again for your contribution to the cause!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 30, 2020, 02:10:09 PM »
At least one gun-bearer was seen to be confronted by police and disarmed, but they managed to refrain from shooting him seven times before disarming him ... can anyone guess why?

I have a guess. Was he white?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: August 30, 2020, 02:03:04 PM »
Thork lives in a fantasy world. No incumbent President with a favorability rating under 48% has ever won reelection. Trump's has never gone above 42. Biden is still kicking his ass in the polls. There's simply no logical reason to think Trump has a better shot at winning right now.

It's weird that right-wingers in other countries would be in denial about the state of the election right now, but apparently even they can be delusional about where this is headed.

But I do love him for being there to help sow the seeds of fear. Thanks for the effort, Thork, it can only help.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: August 28, 2020, 01:54:07 AM »
To be fair the GOP doesn’t like Trump either. Your country is fucked.

The GOP doesn't like Trump but Trump has plenty of people who fanatically support him. That kind of fanatical support existing only on one side is what will likely cause Biden to lose.

The thing is that people who are against Trump are kind of fanatical about that, too, and that's only intensified after 4 years in office, so it's a different dynamic from what we've seen in the past.

But still you have a point, and I'm glad you made it. We need people making completely reasonable arguments about the danger we're facing in this election. You can never count Trump out, Republicans tend to turn out in higher numbers as a rule, and fear seems to be the only thing that really mobilizes Democrats, unfortunately. If people start seeing Joe's winning as a foregone conclusion they might just stay at home again. Although I do hope that the overwhelming hatred the majority of the country has for Trump is enough of a factor on its own that enough Democrats are primed to vote to make a difference.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 25, 2020, 09:36:52 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-graham-powerful-trump-ally-in-trouble-with-reelection-in-south-carolina

Hahahaha

Apparently, according to Fox News, Lindsey Graham has been forced into a tight race in a staunchly Republican stronghold because he made the "pragmatic" (their word) choice of backing a "race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot" (Graham's words, describing Trump, as quoted in this article).

How "pragmatic" will that decision actually look if we really see him, Susan Collins, and other fake moderates who have tried to have it both ways with Trump lose in a blue wave?

Hahahaha

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: August 21, 2020, 05:36:34 PM »
He was going to pick all the best people. Until he fired them or they left and they became incompetent idiots.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: If Biden Dies?
« on: August 19, 2020, 01:52:14 AM »
It actually precludes them from further litigation under the statue of limitations.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: If Biden Dies?
« on: August 13, 2020, 08:15:32 PM »
Because no real experts are saying you can test too much

https://www.sciencealert.com/how-does-the-coronavirus-test-work

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Does everyone really need to be tested?

Realistically, it isn't feasible to test everyone who is sick in the US. Therefore, most health officials believe it is important to prioritize the testing of people who need it the most: those at high risk such as health care workers who have been in contact with COVID-19 patients; symptomatic people in areas with high infection rates; and people 65 years of age and older with chronic health issues, such as heart disease, lung disease or diabetes. Does everyone really need to be tested?

Statnews - We need smart coronavirus testing, not just more testing

By Farzad Mostashari, MD and Ezekiel J. Emanuel, MD

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To know if Covid-19 is getting better or worse, we need to know how the percentage of positive cases — not the number — changes day by day, accounting for delays in testing and reporting and how the percentages change in response to public health measures such as sheltering-in-place or suppression. This will tell us how effective these measures are in curtailing the spread of SARS-CoV-2 and thus whether when social restrictions could be relaxed or additional policies might need to be implemented.

European Society of Cardiology - Diagnosing the first COVID-19 patient in Italy – Codogno, Italy

Dr. Annalisa Malara

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When it came to testing, we started with the patient’s family and everyone who had been in contact with him. In the hospital, we tested patients who had been near him in the emergency room and the ward. After four days, we then tested all the doctors and nurses. Now we only test people with symptoms because the numbers are too high to check everyone. Mass testing slows down results for people who really need them, and the swab gives a lot of false negatives – possibly around 20%.

See the bolded above. You may be merely calling Trump a liar based on your own misunderstandings.

Saying you need to prioritize testing is perfectly reasonable and not at all the same as saying it's possible to test too much. I knew the degree you'd have to reach to try to justify this would be hysterical and you truly didn't disappoint.  ;D

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: If Biden Dies?
« on: August 13, 2020, 01:57:13 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/politics/fact-check-jonathan-swan-axios-hbo-interview-trump-coronavirus/index.html

Here's a great example of a very recent lie Trump told. In his interview with Swan Trump insisted that experts say you can "test too much", referring to the coronavirus. When pressed on who says that Trump says "manuals, books" but can't be more specific than that. Because no real experts are saying you can test too much, an utterly ridiculous and self-serving statement he made because he doesn't like doing all this testing because it exposes more cases.

And that was, what, a week or two ago?

So there you go, a deception where Trump was clearly not wrong or (snicker) "correct in an alternative way". Just a pure, bald-faced, self-serving lie of the type he's told numerous times during his presidency.

I look forward to laughing at Tom's justification for this.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: If Biden Dies?
« on: August 13, 2020, 01:44:06 PM »
Let's see a single example where deception is involved and the matter could not be attributed to being incorrect or is correct in an alternative way.

"Correct in an alternarive way"? Jesus lol, you can be so ridiculous it's hilarious sometimes.

Yes, because you are often wrong about your interpretation of the facts.

Absolutely. One thing I can give you I guess is that Trump is often wrong about his interpretation of facts. But this argument isn't about whether or not Trump is an idiot, it's about whether or not he's a liar, of which we both know there are many examples. Focus!

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