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History books.
Its funny. I don't recall "vogue topic of the year" being in my American History books.  But since you said it, please, cite your source.  Should be easy.


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Math.
Then show your work.  I'll wait.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 07, 2019, 04:13:44 PM »
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/07/trump-gun-access-restrictions-1449663

So not only is his rhetoric spurring lunatics with guns to take personal action against the dangerous invasion taking place at our borders, his policies are actually making it easier for those lunatics to get those guns in the first place. No wonder he wants to focus on the influence of video games or what the fuck ever in the gun debate.
Laying the blame for mass shootings at Trump's feet is only going to get him re-elected.

But let's try it.

"I now blame Trump for all mass shootings that have taken place while he has served as President. As a matter of fact, I blame Trump for all mass shootings that have taken place since he was born."

Nope...

Didn't work...still gonna vote for him.

Unless Tulsi wins the Democratic nomination.

I blame him for El Paso.  Nothing else.

Also, why Tulsi?

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If you read my post again, I stated, "...in vogue topic."

1933-in vogue topic...fact check for you...world wide Great Depression, Hitler...not health care...

1949 - in vogue topic...fact check for you...The Marshall Plan...Cold War commencement...Korean Peninsula...not health care...

Medicare and Medicaid not dominant subject topic during the 60's...Vietnam War, Charles Manson, burning bras, Abby Hoffman...

Clinton HIPAA, piling on costs...

Obama ACA, "...we will need to pass it to see what is in it..."
So years when laws were proposed or enacted weren't popular toics of talk?  Well... How interesting.
Though I wonder how you know what the popular topics in 1933 were.  I mean, you forgot "The New Deal" so... Guessing you just grabbed the two biggest things.  Though Hilter being a vogue topic seems odd given that he hasn't invaded anyone yet.
If healthcare was in vogue then, it was within the town where the doctor was performing house calls and accepting chickens or apples in return for service.

Regrettably, due mostly to government interventions and regulations, that practice is long gone.
Still waiting to know how you know what was vogue before you were born.

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https://www.tnp.no/norway/economy/5496-norway-is-heading-to-a-new-financial-crisis

Well he said the whole world was heading there but thats largely irrelevant to Norway's specific health.  But the house debt is concerning.


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Actually, you pay much more in taxes than do I, and there is no evidence you get more than I.

Do I?  My source is Norwegian and American work experience.  Yours is?

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Norway has a high gun ownership too but its mostly handguns and hunting rifles.

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If you read my post again, I stated, "...in vogue topic."

1933-in vogue topic...fact check for you...world wide Great Depression, Hitler...not health care...

1949 - in vogue topic...fact check for you...The Marshall Plan...Cold War commencement...Korean Peninsula...not health care...

Medicare and Medicaid not dominant subject topic during the 60's...Vietnam War, Charles Manson, burning bras, Abby Hoffman...

Clinton HIPAA, piling on costs...

Obama ACA, "...we will need to pass it to see what is in it..."
So years when laws were proposed or enacted weren't popular toics of talk?  Well... How interesting.
Though I wonder how you know what the popular topics in 1933 were.  I mean, you forgot "The New Deal" so... Guessing you just grabbed the two biggest things.  Though Hilter being a vogue topic seems odd given that he hasn't invaded anyone yet.


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Yeah, we will see...the way I hear things, Norway is going broke buster...
Source?  Because last I checked, we had a surplus AND a few Trillion NOK in savings.
https://www.statsbudsjettet.no/Statsbudsjettet-2019/English/

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Just in case you missed it...nothing is free, last I checked...
Yes.  We pay for it with taxes.  Which isn't much more than you do.  Its nice to get more than you for the same cost.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 06, 2019, 03:36:35 PM »
Actually fossil fuels have a HORRIBLE ROI.

Think about it: how long did it take for the oil or gas to initially form?  Millions of years.  We're literally just reaping what was started before humans existed.  If it took a decade to grow a single stalk of corn to maturity, would corn have a good ROI?  No. 

Meanwhile: solar, wind, and hydro all generate power with energy absorbed between a few days(wind, hydro) and instantly(solar).   Of course it takes billions of years for a star to form, but the sun will outlast the oil so....

I mean, even big oil companies are looking into wind, solar, hydro, wave power, etc... Because they know fossil fuels won't last forever.
Your entire post is so full of misinformation, I don't where to begin...

Big oil is in the industries you mention to make money, period, so yeah...we will start there...

The only thing more efficiently producing energy than an internal combustion engine is a bicycle, so I will give you one to the side of green there...

Other than that, just like the climate change BS we read about ice caps melting and disappearing 5 years ago, we have read the same old BS about petrol running out since the mid 70's when jackalope Jimmy trotted out that BS.

1. Fossil fuels don't take millions of years to be created?  Do tell, how are they made and how long?
2. You do not understand energy or efficiency.  At all.

Efficiency is the energy converted into usable work vs the energy used.
An ICE is about 25% efficient with a theoretical efficiency of about 50% (we aren't there yet).  This is because combustion of fossil fuels produces light, heat, sound, and pressure.  Only the pressure is used to turn the crankshaft.  Everything else is expelled (with some exceptions of heat being used for a heater in older cars).  Thats alot of energy lost.

An ectric motor is more efficient than an ICE.  It uses about 90% of the energy it gets to spin.  This is because electrical energy, while it does produce heat when in a circuit, produces minimal heat when resistance is low.  Thus, most of the electrical energy can be used to power the motor.

Biking is efficient but mostly because its a very light vehicle that's human powered.


And yes, oil makes money.  Not saying otherwise.  But they make it off digging up something that took millions of years to produce.  They did not make the oil themselves. 

If I put a box of 100 new ipads on a top shelf and tell you that you can sell them and keep all the profits if you get it, does that mean iPads have a good ROI for sales? What if I tell you that you had to build your own?


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First this:

"The origins of this complex system lie in a series of turf wars between opposing interests that have been waged in one form or another over the past 150 years."
Which tells me it didn't start in the 90s.
Well, regulation certainly didn't start in the 90's.

But when did healthcare became the in vogue topic of the day?

Answer- the 90's. 
Hold on, let me fact check that...

Lets see... 1933(FDR), 1949(Truman), oh, 1965 which created medicare and medicaid, a few times by Ted Kennedy, Nixon and Carter.  The. Clinton tried but failed.  Then Obama.

Huh.  So it didn't start in the 90s.  You did mean 1990 not 1890, right?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28339426/


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IF you like high prices...

Which side are you arguing again?

The side I have now.  Which is me having about a 30% income tax for my bracket (about $45k/year), a co-pay of $30 per hospital or doctor visit(unless referred by another doctor), pay for items used for medical procedures(casts, stitches, bandages, etc...), free hospital stays, can choose any doctor so long as they have an opening, medicine is alot cheaper too and after paying about $260 a year, any further medication is paid for by the state.

All in all, its much cheaper.  And heavily regulated.

Oh and our population is smaller than the pop of NYC so not a lot of income compared to America.  Oh and we have a budget surplus and a ton of money in savings.  Ya know, fyi.

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Here is an argument against gun elimination:

Consider the drug market....

Heroin and crack are illegal and punishments for  possession of even small amounts are extreme. Does anyone who wants heroin or crack have a hard time obtaining it? .... No. Even without money people seem to find a way to get it.

Suppose you outlaw guns... Do you think it will be enforced or eliminated any better than heroin or crack? No.

In fact, what will likely happen is that it will create an underground black market in which only criminals will be able to obtain guns because law abiding citizens will of course obey the law.

So, effectively that monopolizes guns for criminals. If I were trying to start a militia, I would be in favor of gun control because that ensures my enemy will have a difficult time arming themselves.

This is a flawed argument.
I don't know how to get cocain, heroine, or even weed.  Most people don't.  Those that do were either introduced by someone who used it or someone who sold it. 

Also note: those drugs are super expensive.  People get them but its not like its easy or cheap.  And there are far less drug users than gun owners.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 06, 2019, 05:36:14 AM »
Actually fossil fuels have a HORRIBLE ROI.

Think about it: how long did it take for the oil or gas to initially form?  Millions of years.  We're literally just reaping what was started before humans existed.  If it took a decade to grow a single stalk of corn to maturity, would corn have a good ROI?  No. 

Meanwhile: solar, wind, and hydro all generate power with energy absorbed between a few days(wind, hydro) and instantly(solar).   Of course it takes billions of years for a star to form, but the sun will outlast the oil so....

I mean, even big oil companies are looking into wind, solar, hydro, wave power, etc... Because they know fossil fuels won't last forever.

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First this:

"The origins of this complex system lie in a series of turf wars between opposing interests that have been waged in one form or another over the past 150 years."
Which tells me it didn't start in the 90s. 

Then This.
"Rather than hindering its progress, the complex system of regulation, for all of its flaws, may actually have served to support and nurture the overall enterprise."

And really, the whole thing fails to discuss prices.  The conclusion he comes is that health regulation is good.

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Irrelevant. His reaction to a situation in the moment in no way dictates how he will tactically use the situation to further an agenda.

I guess you missed the part where he immediately began blaming Trump for the shooting.
I don't see how stating facts is bad.

Since you seem to have fallen into insanity, I guess we're done here.

So President Trump has never said how evil immigrants are?  How bad mexicans are?  How much they bring drugs and rape and murder into America?

I've only ever heard him talk about curbing illegal immigration and stopping criminals and drugs from entering our country. The "Mexican phobia" narrative is something that's been pushed by fringe left wing media, and seems to have caught on due to gullible people and those looking for any reason to hate Trump.

You sound like those people who say BLM is responsible for increased police violence. Next, you'll probably blame the 20+ mass shootings that happened during the last presidency on Obama.
From the mouth of Trump.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/16/trump_mexico_not_sending_us_their_best_criminals_drug_dealers_and_rapists_are_crossing_border.html

He literally tells people that Mexico is sending us people with problems who bring crime, drugs, and are rapists.  And some (he assumes but obviously doesn't know) are good people. 

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Irrelevant. His reaction to a situation in the moment in no way dictates how he will tactically use the situation to further an agenda.

I guess you missed the part where he immediately began blaming Trump for the shooting.
I don't see how stating facts is bad.

Since you seem to have fallen into insanity, I guess we're done here.

So President Trump has never said how evil immigrants are?  How bad mexicans are?  How much they bring drugs and rape and murder into America?

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Irrelevant. His reaction to a situation in the moment in no way dictates how he will tactically use the situation to further an agenda.

I guess you missed the part where he immediately began blaming Trump for the shooting.
I don't see how stating facts is bad.

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That wasn't a laugh ya twit.

Thanks CNN, but that wasn’t even a subtle smirk. It was practically a full on guffaw. If you’re going to be dumb, don’t do it in the serious boards.

You think he was laughing at the shooting? Make your argument why then.

I’d say it’s more likely he laughed at himself, as a defense mechanism to not be vulnerable in front of fifty people because that’s a hard thing to do.

Because he’s a trained, professional speaker. They don’t get awkward in front of 50 people. And he’s already using it as political ammo for his campaign.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/08/04/beto-orourke-trump-el-paso-white-nationalist-1445700

Well, with Trump, he's well armed, isn't he?

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That wasn't a laugh ya twit.

Thanks CNN, but that wasn’t even a subtle smirk. It was practically a full on guffaw. If you’re going to be dumb, don’t do it in the serious boards.
No. 
And even if it was, what was he laughing about?  According to fox, Dems hate guns and hate mexicans dying.  3 died.  So by fox logic, he should be horrified and distraught at the loss of immigrant and mexican lives, yes?

Or is he laughing because crazy, gun toting republicans are funny?

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1. If all Democrats have the same reaction as one, does that mean all republicans wanna go on a shooting rampage like the shooter?

2. Thats called choking up.  Grief is horrible and talking about it makes alot of facial expressions.  That wasn't a laugh ya twit.

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1. Please name a regulation.
Pick one of any.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2730786/
2. They lobby against regulations.
Which ones?
 
3. None of this explains the increased cost unless you say that all doctors, hospitals, and pharmasudical companies inflate their prices at the same time.
Have you an example where they do not?

You didn't read the article, did you?  It very well contradicts your entire argument.  Good job.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 02, 2019, 06:59:35 PM »
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As far as your secret, you have a hard time convincing anyone that lower and middle class America is being destroyed, because that is the supposed audience this magical talking point is directed.

Trump's audience is not those people.

Wait, you're saying Trump's "audience" (as if he wasn't the entire country's President but whatever) is exclusively the rich and privileged? ???

Or the poor, welfare users.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 01, 2019, 08:12:36 PM »
These drug rings, btw, didn't go away. In fact, the end result of the crack down is that new, stronger drugs like fentanyl have made their ways in to fill the gap. This is why more and more are overdosing.... from illegal, black market fentanyl... not prescribed pills like hydrocodone.

Which is, apparently, China's fault.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 01, 2019, 04:52:41 PM »
Trump was unhappy the feds cut interest rate even though its to prolong the really good and slow recovery.

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