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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth UK Convention
« on: May 07, 2018, 12:24:44 PM »
I never started the conversation about political parties it was you, so stop lying.
Who started the conversation is irrelevant - you're still the one who mistook a party conference for a party convention, which serves as evidence that you're not aware of the context.

And did you read the dictionary links i sent? Obviously not.
Just because words can mean something, doesn't mean they universally do mean it in a given context.

How about the assertion that the FE gathering was almost full, when it was less than 75% hmmm, very close to capacity eh?
Your assertion is false.

My statement, was that 200 people out of 70 million turned up.
Indeed - how hilarious that you'd do that. Comparing attendance of a single event to the population of a country, and to the membership of self-identified groups. Hopefully you've learned your lesson.

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Why bring up his work at all, if it doesn't support the claim of the Earth being flat? If it doesn't support this, what does it support?
I'm not sure where you got this idea, but given the falsity of your premise, I'll answer your question with a resounding "Yes"

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth UK Convention
« on: May 07, 2018, 12:06:14 PM »
Can you show that there is even such a thing for the Jury’s Inn?
Yes - it happened in the UK. If it didn't have a fire safety capacity, it would not exist. Much like your confusion about party conventions vs. conferences, this is not a controversial statement when you're at least mildly familiar with the context of the situation.

Again - remember that I don't care if you agree with me about our growth. What you think has no bearing on the situation - I'm just hoping to soften the blow once you do realise what's happening. You are welcome to do with it as you will. If your decision is to ignore one piece of evidence after another, that's on you. It just won't be sustainable in the long term.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream
« on: May 07, 2018, 12:01:00 PM »
The word is spelled correctly (did you click the link?). My error was in using the wrong tense, thus it was a grammatical error not a spelling error.
The tense was rather clear in the context. I strongly suspect that you simply failed to spell it correctly, and your spell-checker didn't catch it because it would be a valid spelling in other tenses. That said, if it wasn't a typo and you actually consciously used the wrong tense, that only makes your failure more pronounced - why would you want to highlight that?

I gathered from follow up posts that you believe the footage to be CGI
I don't think I've said that, and if I did, it most certainly was not my intention.

"NASA said so" is a particularly low standard of evidence.

No worse than "Rowbotham said so" ...
Which, as you may recall, I consider to be a crappy argument.

If someone repeatedly claim that the Earth is flat because Rowbotham said so, they would be arguing from authority.

What is it with you people and repeating things I already said, as if they were somehow novel additions to the discussion?

I certainly didn't request you to remove it, it was a perfectly honest page and explains the sort of reasoning I see on here.
The deletion happened when you brought this up with me, and the responses in the thread appear to reflect RE'ers' desire for action to be taken.

You were also disappointed when it was taking me a while to do anything about it:

It's pretty much summed up on this Wiki page (which even Pete admitted is strange and he would look into, it's still there though)

Please, at least try to remain internally consistent. A few of you convinced me to look into this, and I decided in your favour. You're welcome, by the way.

The reaction to this "live stream" and the "Tesla in space" is similar. Has any flat earther done anything to determine whether these might be real?
Yes, and the answer is: they might.

Because if they are then this would have to completely change your world view.
Not really - it would just lend more credence to some models.

Do you have any evidence of that? If not then it's just denial and it's perfectly summed up by that Wiki page.
There is no relation between the logic in the former Wiki page and your perceived lack of evidence of the Conspiracy.

I'm not "holding it over your head"
You are, and I would ask you to do the polite thing and stop. Trying to force arguments that someone has made previously and then withdrew is not a good thing. Again, if I did this, I'd be repeatedly asking you whether you think Texas and Japan are the same place (because someone made that mistake once). But that's not how things work. We move on from past failures, and focus on the present.

Maybe not every flat earther thinks this way but it's the sort of mindset I absolutely see regularly from the more prominent flat earthers on here.

The part about declaring the flat earth an obvious truth I'd concede I've not seen anyone on here say that.
Yes - you haven't seen one of the core assumptions of the "proof". That's why it's no longer there. In fact, I needed to search for references to that page prior to writing here, just to make sure I've got my facts straight. Turns out it's almost exclusively you who brings it up. Quelle surprise.

But the bit about denying any evidence which contradicts a flat earth is exactly what flat earthers on here do.
You're welcome to your own opinion, just don't try to argue it by dishonestly bringing up retracted claims out of context. Alternatively, don't be surprised if people choose not to engage you in discussion. Nobody likes a liar.

The reasoning IS poor but it is fairly representative of FE thought - on here, anyway.
I can't recall a single FE'er who spoke in favour of that page. Your argument is unsubstantiated, other than you repeatedly shouting that FE'ers totally think this way. If you want to just decide what our thinking is, what's the point in discussion? You already know the answers. Grab a beer and a mirror, and discuss with yourself.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream
« on: May 06, 2018, 10:45:54 PM »
mislead
If you're going to nitpick over words, can you please at least spell them correctly?

Look - I get it. You don't like that I used the word "fake", and I did use it somewhat facetiously. I also provided ample clarification of what was meant. If your only issue is that you'd rather use a different word, rest assured that I won't stop you from using it - but I'll also disregard your preference in my own writing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37778973

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Nasa has confirmed to the BBC that this is not live video from the International Space Station and said it must be old spacewalk video footage.

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It appears that at least part of the the video broadcast on Viral USA was filmed by astronaut Terry Virts during a spacewalk in February 2015.

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While the footage on the Unilad Facebook page appears to come from a spacewalk by Russian cosmonauts in 2013.
"NASA said so" is a particularly low standard of evidence.

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Flat Earth Projects / Re: wiki is being trolled
« on: May 06, 2018, 10:42:41 PM »
No one is "trolling" the Wiki, and the shape need not necessarily be circular. The gif was updated a few years ago when Trekky made a few example animations.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth UK Convention
« on: May 06, 2018, 10:35:38 PM »
Literally no-one said that every single person who believes in a flat earth in the UK attended this convention so you can stop that straw man nonsense.
Sorry, that's a lie. Your friend decided to compare conference attendance to self-identification with a group. You were guilty of a similar cock-up before, but you were a better sport about it.

200 out of a population of 70 million, that is 0.000286% of the population, or 1 person for every 300,000 people.

These fringe groups can be found everywhere, in fact, i believe over 800 times more people identified with being a Star Wars Jedi knight in the last UK census!

Also, if you haven't heard of bronies before, that reflects poorly on your understanding of the world that surrounds you. It's practically impossible not to know about them.

Finally, you seem to be under the impression that I care whether or not you consider my behaviour to be an "act", or whether it's "fooling" you. So, for the avoidance of doubt: I don't. I said time and time again that I won't disclose information that others don't want to disclose it. This is not changing.

After all, what difference does it make if a few angry people on the Internet are convinced that we're growing? You're neither stifling nor helping our growth - surely you'll agree that my focus is better placed elsewhere.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream
« on: May 06, 2018, 06:41:17 PM »
If every new RE member you encountered on this forum continued to not understand the mistakes made by a person years ago then you aren't really holding it over their heads, you're stating a fact.
That may be so, but it has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

No, you didn't actually. Here's your claim again:

In case of OP's particular stream, it's fake. Not in the usual "ooh, conspiracy" sense, but rather a simple matter-of-fact "this is not a live stream" sense.
Indeed, that is what I claimed, and I followed it up with evidence.

You pointed out how a live stream wasn't actually live. The word you're looking for is not "fake" but "misleading".
Not at all. Users were deceived into watching pre-recorded footage as live. That's a fabrication, and one with a financial motive. You're welcome to dislike my use of the word, but I was amply clear about what I meant.

The footage was very much real footage
How have you established that?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth UK Convention
« on: May 06, 2018, 04:07:54 PM »
Where’s did i say that every labour supporter would attend a conference? You assumed i assumed.
If your logic is not internally consistent, you're not worth anyone's time. If you believe that the number of the FE convention's attendees strictly equals the number of FE supporters in the UK, you necessarily agree that this carries over to other conferences. If you acknowledge that conference attendance does not automatically equate the number of people with a certain belief or interest, then we no longer need to discuss your "point". In either scenario, you're not looking good.

Ok i will let you prove to me that FErs are a big proportion of the UK population. Show me actual figures of FE believers in the uk?
I have no interest in doing that. I will not disclose things that others don't want disclosed just because it would make you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

As for the differences between convention and conference, i suggest you consult a dictionary.
That would be a waste of your time, given that a party convention and a party conference are very distinct terms in the context of the UK's major parties. A convention is a group of high-ranking officials, while a conference is a public event.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream
« on: May 06, 2018, 04:03:29 PM »
If every RE member demonstrated that then you would have a point.
Nope - this is analogous. You're holding something one person said nearly a decade ago over our heads.

Why is the live stream fake? You never answered the question.
I explained what's fake about it in my very first post here. If you're going to lie about what I did and didn't say, we're not going to have a conversation.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth UK Convention
« on: May 06, 2018, 12:05:17 PM »
So why didnt they hold it at a venue that could hold thousands? Probably because they wouldn’t fill it.
Indeed - I would expect nothing else. 200 is a fantastic turnout for a conference of this type.

The Labour Party (as do most other parties in ther UK) hold annual conventions, but believe it or not, it is not easy to find conference centres that can hold more than that number of people and have a meaningful conference, unless you hold it in a soccer stadium, which then becomes a concert, not a conference.
The Labour Party conference did not fill the venue (far from it), so we know that's not a problem. The problem is with your assumption that every Labour supporter will attend the Labour conference. It is patently absurd, and I suspect you realise this much.

You also mistook the conference for the convention - the two are really rather different - but what else would we expect from you at this point?

TFES convention.
Your terrible background research is showing. TFES had nothing to do with the organisation of the event.

My point is valid still.
What point? That you think every FE'er in the UK attended the conference? It's invalid in multiple ways. There are FE'ers who didn't attend the conference, and there are RE'ers who did.

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Your saying that the "Flat Earth Theory is a theory that is under development" raises the question - how long is it going to take for the "theory" to be "developed."
It will take as long as it takes. You seem to think that anyone's understanding of the world is a singular and completeable task - it is neither of those things.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Rethinking the cartograph layout
« on: May 06, 2018, 11:45:29 AM »
Wouldn't it make sense to use intelligent design to map intelligent design?
You are unlikely to find many people here who believe the Earth was designed, let alone intelligently.

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The 'authority' in question is/are not some evil subspecies of mankind.
I don't care. If your argument is "this is true because Big Space Man said so", then your argument is useless.

If someone repeatedly quotes from ENaG, are they "arguing from authority", or not?
No, you've failed to present an analogous situation. If someone repeatedly claim that the Earth is flat because Rowbotham said so, they would be arguing from authority. Explicitly bringing up the work someone has done is not the same.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth UK Convention
« on: May 06, 2018, 11:39:33 AM »
However what it does show is that TFES in the UK is, thankfully, very very small.
This is not the first time this fallacy has come up here, but it absolutely boggles my mind that it still does. For some reason, the RE masterminds here seem to think that attending a relatively expensive event is a pre-requisite for subscribing to certain views, or supporting them.

If 200 people attend a retro gaming convention, does that mean that 200 people in that country, and nobody else, like retro games? Of course not. By that logic, the Labour party should be very scared - after all, only 13,000 people will vote for them nationwide. Oh, wait, that's highly unlikely, and the actual number is in the tens of millions.

Much like the American convention, this event came very close to filling its venue to its fire safety capacity.

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Who are you to contradict them?
A person who doesn't fall for arguments from authority

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream
« on: May 06, 2018, 08:38:34 AM »
But I don't know why as it perfectly sums up the reasoning.
We did exactly what you and your kind requested of us - admitted that the reasoning was poor and not representative of FE thought, and removed it until it gets properly rewritten (which is gonna take forever, as you know)

Luckily, the page has been archived
It's no luck that the page has been archived - I went out of my way to ensure that as much of our content as possible is archived at all times, because transparency is one of the principles driving this site. You might notice that our Internet Archive coverage is much broader than that of similarly sized websites, and this is no coincidence.

Finally, by holding this content over our head, even though we made concessions, you reveal yourself to be intellectually dishonest. I've once met a RE'er who mistook velocity for acceleration. He didn't realise his error at first, but later on admitted a mistake and we moved on. How would you feel if I tried to inform newcomers that "RE'ers can't even tell the difference between the two concepts"?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Family Guy
« on: May 05, 2018, 05:50:24 PM »
So there was this one time Hank had to hire a new employee for Strickland and he didn't hire a woman because he thought that ain't right. Hilarity ensued as he proceeded to hire a drug addict and the deep state tried protecting him even though he did 0 work

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth UK Convention
« on: May 04, 2018, 07:36:39 AM »
You seem to be very quick to judge people's qualifications. I'm glad that "it doesn't take a rocket scientist" when it's you speaking about how you think you're right, though. That would be terrible.

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