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I don't want to use the word "hypocritical", it just seems to fit so well (at least for Jura, again I think I remember you being an atheist but I'm not sure).

Yep you remember right, but you are confused.

I don't believe in aliens, I believe in there is a good chance that there is life else where in this universe, there's a difference.

If you want/need odds, can't help you , we have too small a sample for that, but scientifically we can point to what we know. We know that here the building blocks for life are easily made, we know that they can replicate under a wide range of conditions, we know (as Marko points out) “with what we're learning about exoplanets and interstellar organic chemistry “ that those conditions exist elsewhere, we know that the universe is both old and fucking huge. Now if you don't believe that  these things are so, then there is no point to us continuing with this, if you concede the possibility then I'll continue.

I don't have the narcissistic view that religion or some of the FE community seem to have, that we are anything special in the universe, there are billions of other stars like ours, far enough out from the core of our galaxy or away from unstable stars not to be bathed in life killing radiation. With this frame of reference, the points above and the conviction that we don't know under what other conditions life can form, it isn't “blind faith” that leads me to the conclusion that there very well maybe life out there.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: May 23, 2017, 08:58:11 PM »
more from the british collection.


Just for you.



Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams

Our song Inti'. Isn't she beautiful?

Why thank you your majesty, I eagerly await your response.

Talking of actual proof, weren’t you the one that made up coroilons just out of no-where

Not true!
Might have been the case last time you looked at a science book/paper, but science moves on inexorably, keep up!

What scientists do say is the life we see around us now comes from one point source (the last universal common ancestor, LUCA), the DNA in all living things being related. Even this is not as straight forward as it seems as certain cell structures including mitochondria, chloroplasts, even the nucleus of eukaryote cells are the result of endosymbiosis, where cells of one type co-opt bacteria/archaea/viruses in a mutually beneficial way.

However, far from being a difficult miracle, scientists (Thomas Carell, Michael Yarus etc), taking a methodical approach have found that the basics of replication (RNA, coenzymes) can be reproduced not only in the lab but in a variety of conditions (frozen, dry & in solution) using naturally (to the times) occurring chemicals (hydrogen cyanide, ammonia, formic acid), add clay which carries a natural electrical charge that pulls in the RNA to form long chains and off you go.
These studies show the possibility that these building blocks would appear repeatedly in a wide variety of situations, that we have only one of these start-ups left as the source means, not that the others never happened but that once the more complex LUCA got its break, it out competed, ate/absorbed the others probably in an extinction event of huge proportions.

Now this is all speculation as it happened billions of years ago, but the ease of spontaneous reproductions of the basics of life, in all manner of niches does show that simple life should be ubiquitous, whether that leads to intelligence is another matter.

Personally, I think it probably sometimes does, but the jump to galaxy spanning civilisations is huge, the distances alone make the mind spasm. But we only have to look at ourselves to see the main problem, the amount of times civilisation has risen and died before we got to where we are now. The Mayans, the Anasazi, Easter island etc. as Jared Diamond outlined in his excellent book “collapse” environmental change and decisions of mind numbing stupidity, such as, chopping down the last trees on Easter island to transport the huge stone heads that must have seemed so important at the time, our current crop of climate change deniers should read that book.
Our short termism and unwillingness to learn from the past, coupled with an (up to now) largely benign universe has let us reach the edge of two things. The possibility of spreading out into the solar system and total collapse. The latter is what I think happens to those that reach this stage.

Evolution provides a set of behaviours to go with intelligence, that include aggression, to conquer predators and others like us, over-use of materials to out compete and the ability to credit our success to our own brilliance and extrapolate from that that this will continue forever. These traits, like evolution itself are likely to be universal, it is likely that the peaceful, wise races that Captain Kirk and others like him meet in fantasy land were chopped to bloody pieces before they got a look in, but even if they weren’t, we have been incredibly lucky.

 Our sun doesn’t bathe us in deadly burst of radiation like many would, we are away from any concentrations of late stage red giants that explode into supernovas scouring us from existence, we haven’t been whacked by any large rocks lately.

I think life largely hangs on in the face of its own failings, succumbing to either that or the capriciousness of an uncaring universe, that rock is coming, enjoy!   

Flat Earth General / Re: FE as a cultural phenomenon.
« on: May 18, 2017, 02:29:36 PM »

Mmm, not quite the same as the hippies, they wanted a change of direction to a slower, greener evolution, and drugs (lots of drugs).

FE is dragging us back to before the enlightenment, they are like creation scientists, trawling the edges of knowledge, looking for grey areas and controversy so they can say “hey this bit doesn’t work, therefore my personal theory that shooting stars are falling suns, must be right”.

YouTube is the worst thing to happen for the gullible, the dim, the paranoid and the badly educated as they can’t sort the chaff, so they go for the shiny, scary and loud.

On a personal level I hope it stays roughly the same, would be nice if the better elements from the other site came here, spice things up a bit, Oh and more drugs.

Flat Earth General / Re: motive to say globe
« on: May 17, 2017, 10:24:52 AM »

No controversy here, move on.


9th grade?

How old is that? (me not American!)

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: May 16, 2017, 01:01:39 PM »

Their pitch is flat! So maybe.

Not like Leicester's this year, which seemed to slope towards our goal, no matter which way we were playing.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Believers section / rank
« on: May 09, 2017, 09:44:01 PM »

But that makes everything i posted "low content".

In an Inti' discusion that seems just wrong.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Believers section / rank
« on: May 05, 2017, 11:22:44 AM »

Inti should also remedy the virgin thing post haste, for should he die in that unfortunate state and the media is right, that the ISIS suicide bombers are guaranteed 12 virgins in paradise, well, all you need is a celestial administration error or outright management capriciousness, and eternity looks like an awful long time.

Crutonius you clock-faced charmer. This change of pace, surely it can’t match the frenetic cut and thrust of razor minds, that we have here? You don’t have Tom!

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Believers section / rank
« on: May 04, 2017, 07:34:37 AM »

Well as he is now immortal he will have plenty of time to catch up, I just hope he doesn’t suggest the all-night beatings on his first date. As for respect, foisting his kinkiness on people before they have received even a bunch of flowers? For the life of me, what type of “principles” does he have?

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: May 03, 2017, 09:55:35 PM »


Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: May 03, 2017, 09:20:26 PM »

But this is head nodding brilliance;

And they can dress like twats too!

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Believers section / rank
« on: May 02, 2017, 10:06:20 AM »

Even if sometime I feel to throw a hood over your head and want to beat you for hours from night to the morning, this topic has no relevancy with you.

Who's a naughty boy then?

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Believers section / rank
« on: May 02, 2017, 09:29:20 AM »

Oh, god please give him his own section that is hidden from my gaze! Inti’ I love you and wish you all the best, but your posts are a road crash, and just like a road crash I just can’t help peeking when they happen. Nine yards of impenetrable paranoid gobbledygook later and I begin to doubt again if there is a place in this universe for our species.

So yes, rope him off, chuck Tom & Sandy in there to keep him company, I shall not complain.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 8values
« on: April 25, 2017, 11:36:41 AM »

Jesus! I'm the same as Saddam. How do I become more fascist, is it just a case of killing some brain-cells?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 8values
« on: April 25, 2017, 11:31:51 AM »

Partially, I also mean I only skipped through and didn't notice the damn fools first time.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 8values
« on: April 25, 2017, 11:23:18 AM »

Don't mean those idiots, I mean the good people.

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