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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 27, 2017, 06:47:08 PM »
Questions :

(1) I wonder if any flat earth believer has ever been brave enough to dare to go an astronomical observatory and talk to someone about the earth , the sun, the moon and the planets ?
(2) I wonder if any flat earth believer has ever been brave enough to dare to talk to some in the navy about the distance to the horizon ?
(3) I wonder if any flat earther has ever been brave enough to dare to get off from behind his computer, go beyond looking out his window, and go outside - even go to sea - and do some observing in the real world ?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 27, 2017, 06:30:34 PM »
Questions:

If the flat earth was covered by a dome ?
And would the dome be shaped like an upside down bowl ?
Wouldn't the maximum height of the dome above the earth be over the North Pole ?
Wouldn't the height be very small at the southern tip of South America or Africa ?

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So it seems there are plenty of different ideas of the shape of the earth and what surrounds it.

I've seen sources claiming it's flat or that it's a kind of bowl shape.

Some people believe in the firmament, while others disagree.

Is there an ice wall or aether surrounding the planet?

Some claim there are lands beyond the known Earth, while others think there is a defnitive edge.

What I wanna know is what are the most likely theories. Obviously a lot of them are speculative, some are based on math and observations.

But they can't all be true. So which is most likely, and why?

It just depends on which FE you talk to.
Maybe Tom Bishop would be the most likely.
He seems to have an answer for every thing.

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I think Shaquille O'Neal recently said that he didn't really believe that the earth was flat.
He said he was just making fun of it.
In his way of doing a lot of other odd, but  funny,  things.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 26, 2017, 09:42:18 PM »
BTW.
Seeing not much activity, I will take a break.

Like most people I know without a doubt that the earth is not some flat disc.
I have worked in several fields and observed personally that this is quite obvious.
It is ....if you want to get technical about it : " An Oblate Spheroid, slightly larger in circumference at the Equator than from Pole to Pole." And, of course, there is no dome above the earth,  unless you might consider the atmosphere as sort of a dome above the earth.

But I am interested in the ideas as to how things would have to be if the earth was some flat disc. Fantasy and Fiction do make interesting reading. In particular, those of Sir Samuel Birley Rowbotham, PhD, MD

The dome is one of those areas of particular interest.

But I will concede that if you had lived all your life in an area in which the earth appeared to be flat.
Or if you had never been very far from your home into the rest of the earth.
Or you had none or limited education of geography or astronomy or any other of the other sciences, such as physics.
Or for many other reasons such as if you had never been in military service or worked in any civilian field of work involving global information.
Or had never ever even given any thought as to the shape of the earth - if it was "round" or "flat."
You might well believe the earth was flat.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Your maps size things wrong
« on: May 26, 2017, 03:35:28 PM »
So this is it?  Re people debating each other about FE theory?

There really is no such thing as FE theory.
Just FE ideas.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The distance between the sun and the earth
« on: May 26, 2017, 03:32:24 PM »
just a simple question needing a simple answer
Isn't it convenient that the answer has already been given to you in a public document which you're expected to read before posting?

this a debate thread ..... I want to hear the answer from your owgsn words

That's the whole point of a debate.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Your maps size things wrong
« on: May 26, 2017, 05:05:13 AM »
There are very simple answers.:
The earth is not flat.
There is no flat earth map.
The so-called "flat earth maps" are simply the Unipolar and Bipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projections of the Globe.
Any projection is going to have severe distortions in some areas.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Physical Proof...
« on: May 26, 2017, 02:13:23 AM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times?
Different how?


In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?
No.

You don't even explain why it doesn't disprove Flat Earth you just say no

Answering a yes/no question with a no? Despicable.  >o<

WHY doesn't it disprove Flat Earth was the question.

Lol no, read it again.

The point was that he did not explain why his answer was no.
The usual answer to a yes or no question is "Yes (or no) because (or WHY) this is so....." With an explanation of the reason why the answer was yes or no.

There answer is obviously  YES . And the reason is also obvious. The ship passing over the horizon is one of the most obvious proofs of the curvature of the earth which is obvious proof that the earth is not flat and proof that the earth is a globe. The average layman who has never been to sea might not be aware of this fact, but to any who has ever been to sea, it is just a common, almost every day occurence to observe ships as they come over the horizon or go over the horizon.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Physical Proof...
« on: May 25, 2017, 11:35:55 PM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times?
Different how?


In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?
No.

You don't even explain why it doesn't disprove Flat Earth you just say no

Answering a yes/no question with a no? Despicable.  >o<

WHY doesn't it disprove Flat Earth was the question.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 25, 2017, 10:38:06 PM »
(1) What is the dome made of ?
(4) Any other information on the dome ?

Working from a biblical model.

(1)
Water.

(4)
It can be opened and closed by God,
Stars exist inside it like lights, possibly sonoluminescence.
It has a dark mirror quality up close and the outside may be solid.
Its possible to stand on top of it like a vaulted ceiling.
The heaven of heavens is beyond it, and there's at least three of those.

Thanks, Dither

That is one of the first answers received so far.
No comment.

Except :
You believe in the dome.
Roundy doesn't.

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Someone has suggested using a welding helmet to look diectly at the sun.



As I said in another topic, I used to do orientation up to the accuracy of 0.1 degrees with the help of the sun while in the army. We had theodolites that had attachable solar filters, especially made for this purpose.

It's worth noting that while anyone can buy theodolites for civilian use as well, they don't necessarily have solar filters as default: the method used is needlessly complicated for civilian use, because in civilian use there usually are some fixed points available for accurate orientation (unlike in enemy territory), and apart from that there's just no reason to use the theodolite to look at the sun. So if someone wants to try this, make sure you use a solar filter purposefully intended for this use.

This silly debate just isn't worth blindness.

I am a relative newcomer to the FES websites. I have only been here about 3 years. But it has just gotten worse and worse over that time. Most of what you get from FE's now are.:
(1) Ignored
(2) "It's fake !"
(3)  Insults
(4) Profanity
(5) Vulgarity
(6) And probably a lot of the other

I could give you some examples, but you've probably seen them all.
One had to with the distance from the earth to the moon and how the measurements were done.
But it is becoming an interesting website for the interesting facts posted by the so-called "globulists" , "roundies", "round earthers", et cetera, et cetera, and so forth !
In a way it has become educational and entertaining.

As I said  previously this old "sinking ship" is an example of your "This silly debate just isn't worth blindness." to us ancient mariners and navy veterans.LOL.

If they went by the mission they proclaim in the Wiki  "This website is dedicated to unraveling the true mysteries of the universe and demonstrating that the earth is flat and that Round Earth doctrine is little more than an elaborate hoax." it would be an interesting mental exercise in logic and reason.  Seems the FE'ers are not interested in debate.   I also notice bans seem to only go out to RE'ers from my limited viewing.

My logical questions go unanswered.

I think this website would be just as interesting to me if they went by this statement.:
"We all know that the earth is a globe. But just think ! What if the earth was a flat disc ?   This website is for ideas on how things would have to be if this was so."

Not me, I truly want to talk with people about the things they believe.  It's fascinating.
It's just hard to believe that anyone would believe that the earth was flat. LOL.

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Someone has suggested using a welding helmet to look diectly at the sun.



As I said in another topic, I used to do orientation up to the accuracy of 0.1 degrees with the help of the sun while in the army. We had theodolites that had attachable solar filters, especially made for this purpose.

It's worth noting that while anyone can buy theodolites for civilian use as well, they don't necessarily have solar filters as default: the method used is needlessly complicated for civilian use, because in civilian use there usually are some fixed points available for accurate orientation (unlike in enemy territory), and apart from that there's just no reason to use the theodolite to look at the sun. So if someone wants to try this, make sure you use a solar filter purposefully intended for this use.

This silly debate just isn't worth blindness.

I am a relative newcomer to the FES websites. I have only been here about 3 years. But it has just gotten worse and worse over that time. Most of what you get from FE's now are.:
(1) Ignored
(2) "It's fake !"
(3)  Insults
(4) Profanity
(5) Vulgarity
(6) And probably a lot of the other

I could give you some examples, but you've probably seen them all.
One had to with the distance from the earth to the moon and how the measurements were done.
But it is becoming an interesting website for the interesting facts posted by the so-called "globulists" , "roundies", "round earthers", et cetera, et cetera, and so forth !
In a way it has become educational and entertaining.

As I said  previously this old "sinking ship" is an example of your "This silly debate just isn't worth blindness." to us ancient mariners and navy veterans.LOL.

If they went by the mission they proclaim in the Wiki  "This website is dedicated to unraveling the true mysteries of the universe and demonstrating that the earth is flat and that Round Earth doctrine is little more than an elaborate hoax." it would be an interesting mental exercise in logic and reason.  Seems the FE'ers are not interested in debate.   I also notice bans seem to only go out to RE'ers from my limited viewing.

My logical questions go unanswered.

I think this website would be just as interesting to me if they went by this statement.:
"We all know that the earth is a globe. But just think ! What if the earth was a flat disc ?   This website is for ideas on how things would have to be if this was so."

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 25, 2017, 06:45:10 PM »
I don't know.
That's why I am asking the questions.

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Someone has suggested using a welding helmet to look diectly at the sun.

As I said in another topic, I used to do orientation up to the accuracy of 0.1 degrees with the help of the sun while in the army. We had theodolites that had attachable solar filters, especially made for this purpose.

It's worth noting that while anyone can buy theodolites for civilian use as well, they don't necessarily have solar filters as default: the method used is needlessly complicated for civilian use, because in civilian use there usually are some fixed points available for accurate orientation (unlike in enemy territory), and apart from that there's just no reason to use the theodolite to look at the sun. So if someone wants to try this, make sure you use a solar filter purposefully intended for this use.

This silly debate just isn't worth blindness.

There are many sources of sextants, too, if you wanted to experiment taking sights on the sun, moon, stars, etc.

But.......Still waiting for answers.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 25, 2017, 04:51:40 PM »
I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.

Do you believe in Antarctica as the ice ring / or / ice wall ?

I believe in the possibility. There appears to be reason to believe that traveling south from any point on Earth you will eventually run into a frozen barrier, so obviously if the model of FE with the north pole in the center is correct, and this is true, it logically follows that the Ice Wall exists. Many people have observed this barrier so there's no question it exists in some form; it's just a question of whether it encircles the Earth or is its own continent, and that's not a question I'm personally equipped to answer.

Thanks again, Roundy,

It all depends on which map you believe is the flat earth model.
The map showing Antarctica as the ice ring is the Unipolar version.
The map showing Antarctica as a continent is the Bipolar version.
I will not make any other comments on the above.
I will be awaiting any answers to the questions.
Rather than just refering to a source such as "the flat earth wiki", "ENAG" or "The Sacred Texts", I would just like to see the answers in the words of the FE's.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Physical Proof...
« on: May 25, 2017, 03:30:20 PM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times? In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?

Exactly. The old flat earth "sinking ship" has been de-bunked many times - by sailors and former sailors.
Ships appear mast first ; disappear hull first, as they cross the horizon.
The horizon is at a known distance; depending on the height of the observer.

If the earth was flat.:
The entire ship would appear to just get larger as it approaches the observer; smaller as it gets farther.
There would be no horizon as we know it.
It would make no difference how high the observer was as long as they were above anything to impede their view.
The entire ship would just fade away into the blur of the "atmoplane" and appear to get smaller the farther it got.
It would appear to come in from out of the blur of the "atmoplane" and appear to get larger as it becomes closer.

The simplest of the flat earth fallacies.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 25, 2017, 03:20:57 AM »
I'm particularly interested in whether the sun and the moon are inside the dome or not; and thus, whether the dome affects on how we see them or not.

I am interested in whether the dome is round - like an upside down bowl - or if the flat earth has sort of a flat roof over
it ?
And how the dome (or the roof) fits in with the ice ring/ice wall ?

(There is an old painting showing a man kneeling down at the edge of the earth and peering out from a hole in the dome where the bottom of the dome meets the earth.)

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 25, 2017, 03:02:50 AM »
I'm particularly interested in whether the sun and the moon are inside the dome or not; and thus, whether the dome affects on how we see them or not.

I've seen the answers to some questions on previous posts, but I would just like to get them all together for review.
FE's only please. I will try to refrain from making any "round earth" remarks until all the "flat earth" answers are in from the FE's.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 25, 2017, 12:11:22 AM »
I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.

Do you believe in Antarctica as the ice ring / or / ice wall ?

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