The horizon is always seen clearly during clear days.It doesn't matter how many times you'll state this - it will continue to be a lie, and one that's trivially tested. All you need to do is look at the horizon.
Of the horizon is a vanishing point at which the atmosphere becomes too dense to see through, we should never be able to see anything recede behind it. We would never see buildings or ships disappear from the bottom up, like the sun as it sun is below it at sunset.
It's not a lie - it is a fact observed by billions of people every day.
Anyone who has ever been to sea has noticed this. The atmosphere has little effect at these distances.I've been to the sea. The atmoplane's effects are clear even to the naked eye. Again, your lie is laughably easy to verify.
Then verify it.
The horizon is a sharp line between earth/sea and sky obscuring the lower halves of objects that recede behind it, down the curve of the Earth.
If atmospheric density were the cause for it, it would fade out in a measurable way, eventually blurring indistinctly at the limits of perception. Objects approaching this limit would fade like it were moving into a fog bank even in the clearest of conditions.
This is not the case.
If you'd like, I can show you how the phenomenon we are referring to is observable from any point on the ocean looking towards a city with skyscrapers.
In fact, even a cursory Google search will bring up plenty of examples of this - plus the testimony of anyone who has ever stood on a ship watching a city or even another ship.
Yknow, the kind of people you would have met if you'd actually been to sea.
Or maybe you'd like to do this experiment for yourself in a larger scale. Show us all how it's done, Warrior. Bring us some pictures of a city skyline in its entirety, from the top of its tallest tower to the waves lapping at it's lowest docks, from a distance greater than, say, the width of Lake Michigan?
Especially if you can get a series of them showing the city at exactly the same height but fading slowly being the increasing density of the atmosphere.
I think that will suffice to prove your point.
It's either that or admit that the Bishop experiment isn't able to be replicated on sufficiently large scales to prove anything and its results are effectively meaningless.
Novarus makes quite a few good points.
I am in agreement, with most, if not all of them.
I don't know what kind of ship SexWarrior was on, but the horizon could be clearly seen from all the ships on which I sailed.
I will admit that my experiences were few in comparison with more seasoned veterans.
They only included three trips from California to Japan return and return via Hawaii and Guam.
They were on ships of medium size :
A troop transport passenger type ship- USNS General Daniel I. Sultan (TAP-120) - to Japan
An Escort type Aircraft Carrier USS Sicily (CVE-118) - return
Two cruises on a Seaplane Tender USS Kenneth Whiting (AV-14) - to Japan and return
The atmosphere is not so dense as to make land before, on and over or beyond the horizon not visible to the naked eye. This is noticeable as a ship sails out to sea from a seaport such as San Diego or San Francisco.
The beaches are the first to pass from view, and finally the tops of hills or mountains such as Point Loma.
When nearing Honolulu, the peak of Diamond Head is first sighted, and finally the shore when the ship is within a few miles from land.
The ship passing over the horizon is another flat earth fallacy.
Ships gradually pass out of view, hull first.
After the ship has passed over and beyond the horizon, the last parts of the ship to be seen are the tops of the tallest masts on that ship.
And once a ship has passed over the horizon and completely out of view there is no way that it "can be restored to view with a telescope."
Also.If the horizon was obscured by the atmosphere, it would be useless as a reference point.
Lookouts are trained to estimate distances to ships and other objects in relation to their locations from reference to the distance to the horizon.
There is a simple equation to estimate the distance to the horizon based on the heights of the observer above the sea. The Navy Manual For Lookouts contains a table showing these distances for various heights.
All of these examples are simple evidence of the curvature of the earth which is proof of the earth being spheroid in shape, or a globe.
They are common examples of the way things are actually observed.
I have also observed them personally.
There are possibly those on this form who haven't had the opportunity to see them for themselves, so I am listing them as how things really are.