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Well, Dr. O'Neal says he was joking and I think we should believe him.

Who am I going to believe, a doctor of education; or you guys, who are not doctors of education?

He only said that he was joking after the story went around the world and he was mocked and ridiculed relentlessly. Kind of too late and not really obviously genuine.

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Tom, this is nothing more than just one more case of FE'ers unquestioningly accepting any bit of support without the slightest bit of critical though.  You went out of your way to talk up Shaq's Ed. d., yet you never thought to consider just how far out of character it would be for someone with an advanced degree, seemingly out of nowhere, to come out and support FET.  Then, just to make things even worse, you desperately try to hold on to his endorsement even after he publicly admits that he was just trolling everyone. 

Tom, do yourself a favor and just admit that you got played and move on.

Yeah, no. There is obviously great pressure to retract your statement when you are one of the most famous people in America and the entire world is mocking you.

I would like you to show how everyone believing that he was an idiot was good for his brand and his ego. Would Shaq and his managers and partners think that the situation would benefit them greatly? It is hard to see how everyone around him would have encouraged Shaq to go with it.

Frankly, the only person in denial here is you. If Shaq was making a joke that he was an idiot he would have said JUST KIDDING in the podcast, not leave everyone to think that he is an idiot. What kind of joke is that?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 25, 2017, 02:21:40 AM »
If Trump and his wife are not regularly sleeping together that is Trump's choice, not hers.

This statement is almost as dumb and misguided as "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."

How so? Trump has replaced wives before when he was not satisfied with them.

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It's pretty obvious that this isn't Shaq's type of humor.
Are you sure about that, Tom?  After all, his Ed. D. dissertation was on humor, wasn't it?

Shaq likes jokes, but all of his jokes tend to cause people to laugh at the end, not leave people thinking that he is a serial killer. The type of humor here is uncharacteristic of everything he has ever done.

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It's pretty obvious that this isn't Shaq's type of humor. If this is Shaq's character then show us where he has done anything similar. You can't because he hasn't.

It's pretty obvious that this isn't Shaq's worldview. If this is Shaq's worldview then show us where he has expressed anything similar. You can't because he hasn't.

Wow, it was super easy to refute your terrible argument!

That is a weak argument. Shaq goes onto pod casts and tells his worldview in a seemingly serious manner all the time. He does not go back and say "just kidding!".

so i don't really get how you can say that shaq must be protecting his 'brand' from ridicule or whatever.  kyrie irving did the exact same thing like 40 seconds ago and has the best selling sneakers in america.  mostly because all the people who love kyrie and shaq do so for sports reasons and don't care about their personal beliefs basically at all.

Yeah, Irving only expressed his Flat Earth opinion 40 seconds ago and you are showing me a link for sales starting from last year. Totally irrelevant. The link even provides a disclaimer that his shoes are only leading in the "performance" basketball shoe market, whatever that is, and that Nike is underpricing the shoes compared to other signature brands.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that Shaq's managers and partners would have thought that world-wide ridicule was a good thing? People would have been screaming at him to retract his statement or his career was over. Do you really think that seeing that irrelevant link would change their minds?

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srsly tho shaq would never do anything silly or goofy or make himself look like a fool just for the lols.

That's not really the same type of humor at all here, and Shaq revealed himself at the end. Its not even his own idea, he's an actor in a commercial for Lyft.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 24, 2017, 10:48:29 PM »
Maybe he is actually aware that he is a fat, orange misanthrope and knows this is as good as it gets? Also, just because they sleep in different beds doesn't mean he doesn't pop blue diamonds and get busy on occasion.

On a separate note, let's assume Melania never touches him and spends all his money.  Why would being a billionaire mean you can't be taken advantage of?

If Trump and his wife are not regularly sleeping together that is Trump's choice, not hers.

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It's pretty obvious that this isn't Shaq's type of humor. If this is Shaq's character then show us where he has done anything similar. You can't because he hasn't.
Haha, how is that a proof of anything exactly!?

It is a proof that you are a moron for repeating that we simply don't understand Shaq's character.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 24, 2017, 07:02:03 PM »
If you don't have anything relevant to the topic of the earth's shape, then I don't see the purpose of continuing. It is a waste of time to try and figure out the why this and why that for every countless thing that happens in the universe.

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It's pretty obvious that this isn't Shaq's type of humor. If this is Shaq's character then show us where he has done anything similar. You can't because he hasn't.

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How is that a more relevant point when it comes to Shaq, but not the other celebrities supposedly backing FES?

You're just looking for excuses, Tom. You guys got played and you jumped in feet first.

It was to be expected that something was going to break with that kind of overwhelming ridicule, either Shaq's career, or some kind of backtrack on his position. Shaq chose to try and save his career.

Again, if this is his joking style, where has he made a similar "joke"?

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Really Tom? Really?

I mean, I know it hurts that all of you used Shaq's statement and tried to fuel your position in the public with being" backed by a celebrity". Now this is a conspiracy too, and Shaq "obviously" caved in to pressure.

I guess the joke is on you.

The entire world was mocking him. He was going to either go with it, or backtrack and try to save face. When you question the status quo you are mocked and ridiculed.

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Shaq obviously caved in to pressure since the story went world wide and was hurting his brand and the NBA.

yeah just like kyrie irving

https://solecollector.com/news/2017/03/nike-kyrie-irving-3-best-selling-basketball-sneaker

So? Shaq's managers would perceive what he said as being negative. Do you think they saw the world mocking him and said that it would make them millions of dollars?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 24, 2017, 07:59:05 AM »
Anyway, on the lighter side of Trump news:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/donald-trump-and-first-lady-melania-keep-separate-bedrooms-w473116

Of course it's Us Weekly so who knows if it's really true?  It's plausible; don't you think you'd be miserable if you were Melania?  Would you want to sleep in the same bed as a shriveled old troll like Donald?

That doesn't make any sense. Trump is a billionaire. Why would he keep her around and stand for that? He would just replace her like he has done with past wives.

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Shaq obviously caved in to pressure since the story went world wide and was hurting his brand and the NBA. If this is his joking style show us where he has ever made a similar "joke".

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 24, 2017, 03:18:20 AM »
So, you don't know why it happens?

Why should it matter any more than should the temperature of Uranus matter?

This is not really a topic of discussion. If you can show that this is some kind of round earth proof, we would look into it. When we are asked what puts the sun into motion, for example, the standard reply is that the mechanism is presently unknown to us, but the motion is apparent. We base knowledge on empiricism here, not wild theories.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 24, 2017, 01:52:23 AM »
I find that my observations fit within the heliocentric model.   You say they fit with flat earth model.  I'm asking how?

As I explained, the angular change happened, and the earth was still flat underneath it.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 23, 2017, 11:14:00 PM »
Tom, I would say that if your model cannot account for some basic observations that a person can make from their back yard with a telescope,  then the model maybe suspect.

Account for what? You have not told us why it can't happen on a Flat Earth.

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Secondly, If there is an unwillingness to account for the observation then the driving force behind a your model may not be derived from observation.   

You have not provided any explanation for why this can't happen on an earth that is not round. Why should we bother coming up with a figure for this particular property of Venus anymore than the temperature of Uranus?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Problems with the Bishop Experiment
« on: March 23, 2017, 11:10:14 PM »
No, that isn't the whole peninsula, there are several places pointing towards santa cruz.

That is Lovers Point, which you specifically referred to by name as the location of your experiment.

The whole area of the peninsula is generally referred as Lover's Point. There are several things called Lovers Point in that area, such as the Lover's Point Marine Reserve.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 23, 2017, 06:13:03 PM »
How does an observed angular diameter change of 5x fit with model?  Please explain.

The angular change happened, and the earth was still flat underneath it. I don't see any sort of explanation for why it could only happen on a globe earth and none other.

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If you can tell me orbital period and orbital diameter of Venus around the sun, I'll plot it out and see if it fits.  Maybe you've already done this since you say it works.

Why should we care enough to know that if it's not going to tell us whether the earth is a globe or not? Do we have to know what the temperature of uranus is too?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 23, 2017, 06:06:41 PM »
Retrograde motion of the planets is described here.

I still don't see what the angular size change of a body above us has to do with the shape of the earth.
The observed angular diameter change fits with the heliocentric model.  What is the flat earth explanation?

The explanation is that the observed angular change fits with the flat earth model.

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