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Apparently Junker believes these to be accurate depictions of the flat Earth we live on.

Curious, I don't remember claiming that.
Then we must disagree on the meaning of the word 'map' because by the understanding of the word both myself and gecko have put forth that is exactly what you've said.

Just show them.

Already done.
We've been told, repeatedly, on this site that those aren't actual maps.
I assure you they are maps.

I clearly must be missing something. I read everything you quoted and nowhere do any of my statements say what you claim.

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Apparently Junker believes these to be accurate depictions of the flat Earth we live on.

Curious, I don't remember claiming that.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Distance debate based on poll results
« on: August 21, 2017, 08:37:38 PM »
What would be great is if you weighed in on this.

What is there to "weigh in" on? I've seen the replies to Tom and the subsequent dismissal of his concerns relative to the OP. His points have been avoided instead of addressed, so I don't see any reason to engage in the topic.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Distance debate based on poll results
« on: August 21, 2017, 08:26:50 PM »
Since this is all "known" and "proven" (your words), please provide this proof. Provide evidence that:

- GPS predicted distances are accurate
- Round Earth Latitude and Longitude are accurate
- Aircraft cruise speeds are measured in a way that does not use a Round Earth coordinate system

If you are making any of these claims, it is your burden to back up your argument and demonstrate it.

You are incorrect.  It is up to you to prove GPS is not accurate, that Boeing does not know how fast the planes they make fly, and that Lat Lon is not an accurate measurement of the earth.  These are nuisance claims that are designed to avoid actually talking about the topic.  The topic is "distances" and how to map them.  I provided a perfect example, please show a map that makes them possible.

Please stay on topic and avoid low content posts.

I appreciate your effort here, but seeing that you are not a moderator, please refrain from acting like one. You can certainly point out if someone is straying from the topic, but it is clear you don't know what constitutes a low-content post. If you believe a post is violating the rules, please use the report function.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Distance debate based on poll results
« on: August 21, 2017, 06:20:33 PM »
Since this is all "known" and "proven" (your words), please provide this proof. Provide evidence that:

- GPS predicted distances are accurate
- Round Earth Latitude and Longitude are accurate
- Aircraft cruise speeds are measured in a way that does not use a Round Earth coordinate system

If you are making any of these claims, it is your burden to back up your argument and demonstrate it.
We've demonstrated these in the other thread and you've demanded more proof. How about you answer two simple questions:
1) What way to measure distance would you accept?
2) Are there any distances you would actually consider correct? Or (since the argument could be made ALL readily available distances are based on RE) do you not have any idea how far you've traveled ever?
We can then go from there with our proofs and evidence.

I am hoping someone besides Tom shows up.  He has proven he is either a troll or totally delusional.   Textbook delusional.

de·lu·sion·al
dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl/Submit
adjective
characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

Lay off the personal attacks in the upper fora. Warned.

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Flat Earth General / Re: FES Think Tank - Week 1 Poll
« on: August 21, 2017, 05:24:21 PM »
I did, I pointed you to a thread chock full of citations.  a thread you somehow avoided.  Was it too embarrassing?

I see now that simple reading comprehension may be a bit difficult for you. But, I did look at the thread. It doesn't prove the claim you made (quoted above if you find yourself struggling to remember). I know it may be a bit difficult for you to process, so if you have any questions just let me know and I will do my best to help you understand your own words a little better.

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Flat Earth General / Re: FES Think Tank - Week 1 Poll
« on: August 21, 2017, 04:30:34 PM »
How does that not? Or are we living in different worlds here? The claim is this thread had numerous citations for airline flight data that showed distances that couldn't work on a FE.
Actually, the claim was:

the biggest hole in FE as there is no possible flat map that can be drawn using verifiable and proven distances.

Which is why I quoted it above to ensure no confusion. Apparently that didn't work.


The thread has that information. Not sure how that link doesn't support the claim. Unless we're reading the claim differently.
The thread you provided does not prove the claim from the person I quoted.

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Flat Earth General / Re: FES Think Tank - Week 1 Poll
« on: August 21, 2017, 03:46:41 PM »
Sooo, what? You guys can say "Check the wiki" or "Check the forums" and expect us to go digging for it but you can't be bothered to look at a thread on literally the first page of the debate forums? SMH.
I am not sure what you are talking about. If you can't provide a citation for a claim, then just say so. Your unrelated whining isn't relevant to the conversation.

Here is the thread he is referring to.
Very cool. Maybe next time post a link that actually supports the claim being made.

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Flat Earth General / Re: FES Think Tank - Week 1 Poll
« on: August 21, 2017, 03:01:06 PM »
The citations are numerous. 

Then you shouldn't have an issue providing some to backup your previous claim.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Moon
« on: August 20, 2017, 04:39:57 AM »
You may as well point us to Aristotle's 2000 year old book which contains his perspective theory illustrations; which is right next to his book which tells us that flies spontaneously generate from rotting meat.


Or a more recent book by a quack who faked his experiments, ran from any debate and was a known fraud.  Wow, that sounds like someone here.

That is quite a claim you have made there. Although you didn't name anyone specifically, so you could just be making things up.

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We've been told, repeatedly, on this site that those aren't actual maps.
I assure you they are maps.


Does this mean you support them as actual maps we could use to attempt to measure distances and track navigation on?
Not sure, haven't attempted it.


As amusing as it is that you're 'trolling' me with a lmgtfy link.
If you consider that to be trolling you probably shouldn't be online anymore...

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You can split it into two posts.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplanes lit from below
« on: August 19, 2017, 01:22:57 PM »
We are discussing actual measurable facts.  When I see the sun set in the west it appears higher in the sky for someone 500 miles to the west of me.

When did you measure this?
Last week.  Do you agree?

I don't necessarily disagree, but I'd love to see your logs of data and methods.

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There are no flat earth maps.

Actually, there are.
Would you be kind enough to point us to one then? Because I've seen told to us time and time again that the two images on the wiki are not maps, but suggestions on how things *could* look. Which makes sense as both of them are simple projections of the globe model onto a flat plane.

Here is one example of a FE map.

You can also find more here.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplanes lit from below
« on: August 19, 2017, 02:46:48 AM »
We are discussing actual measurable facts.  When I see the sun set in the west it appears higher in the sky for someone 500 miles to the west of me.

When did you measure this?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How Big Is The NASA conspiracy?
« on: August 19, 2017, 02:45:57 AM »
How about those Navy lookouts who can estimate the distance to the horizon ?
Are they merely mistaken ?

Not sure if they are mistaken. You should get one or more of them to come discuss it and I guess we can decide then.

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