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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 27, 2017, 05:57:52 PM »
My first instinct was to respond to this with something along the lines of "lol," but being mindful of what I just said above, I'll use facts rather than ridicule. No, I don't believe that this was any kind of friendly or cultural gesture, because if it was, Markovic would logically have pointed that out rather than just dismissing it as not being a big deal.

Why is dismissing indicative of your belief and not mine?  Maybe he dismissed it because it's not a big deal?  That could also be logically viable.

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Personally I care way more how Trump deals with international policy than if he wasn't super polite in a photo op.

Then you're holding him to a shockingly low standard, one that's only going to get lower as his term continues. You wouldn't tolerate someone you barely knew doing this to you, yet you've managed to convince yourself that it's okay when the president does it to another head of state.

First off I find it troubling that being more concerned for actual policy and action is less valuable to you than body language.

Second, people tolerate others pushing past them often. Have you ever taken public transit? It happens extremely often. When it happens to me, I weigh my self-righteousness against the lack of harm that has been caused and usually come out on the side of self-righteousness being an ego-driven action that is a bet negative in my life.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: May 27, 2017, 02:47:17 PM »
Apparently the Spurs are after CP3. I'm surprised they would make this kind of win-now move.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 27, 2017, 02:46:18 PM »
Oh, diddums, are you still upset about your conspiwacy theowy not being all that popular?

b-but the emails guys right haha? right? the emails thing justifies my bush-did-9/11-level stuff somehow yes???

I can't argue with this logical, well-reasoned takedown.

Tell me, do you have any context behind Trump's interaction or are you operating on instinct here?

All Spicer and Markovic have offered for context is that it was a group photo and Trump's assigned position was in the front. Combined with the video showing Trump not taking the time to spare even a glance at Markovic, but instead hilariously thrusting out his chin and tugging on his suit before addressing someone else, this strongly indicates that there's nothing more to this than Trump's usual obnoxious behavior. You're right that it's nothing new for him, but it's not something I'm willing to turn a blind eye to.

What in saying is, you have no idea if the PM of Montenegro in any way contributed to this, or if it was an inside joke or if Trump was truly being a douchebag. Instead of focusing on important shit, like the content of the meeting, you are not-picking body language that could play out in a number of ways, some of them potentially positive. Some cultures admire and respect shows of strength, some don't and you can't be sure if this is a net negative or positive. So this just joins the ever-present chorus of ineffective criticism that makes criticism of Trump easier and easier to tune out.

It reminds me of when Trudeau was criticized as being toxic masculine for pulling his MP through a barricade of opposition MPs. People ignored the childish and unethical delay of parliamentary business in favor of a mostly inconsequential physical action. Personally I care way more how Trump deals with international policy than if he wasn't super polite in a photo op.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 26, 2017, 11:24:19 PM »
Excellent counterarguments, guys. Almost as convincing as SexWarrior's bulletproof debunking of the Trump-Russian connection by repeating the word "meme."

Tell me, do you have any context behind Trump's interaction or are you operating on instinct here?

Y'all know that world wars start when big men push aside small countries, right?

I mean, the behavior of a world leader influences alliances, information sharing, dialogs, deals, everything.

Yes it may not SEEM like a big deal but it could be the difference between Trump winning a deal and storming off fuming because he can't get what he wants cause the other side thinks he's a dick and wants to screw him.

It could be. Or this could be blown way out of proportion. I'm going to go ahead and guess that you couldn't tell me definitively either.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 26, 2017, 04:59:23 PM »
Finally, we can confirm that Trump opponents will literally use anything to criticize him.
It's not like it's anything new. Just another example of him being a conceited douchebag which we already know he is.

It's not new for anyone, much less Trump. Yes, it was douchey, but seriously, this is irrelevant.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 26, 2017, 01:16:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/867759838067118080

This is just embarrassing.
Finally, we can confirm that Trump is racist. After all, this was the Prime Minister of Montenegro

Finally, we can confirm that Trump opponents will literally use anything to criticize him.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Modern Feminism
« on: May 25, 2017, 09:27:24 AM »
Top marks to the commenter who pulls the reductio ad absurdum by pointing out that women perpetrate the vast majority of child abuse and infanticide. This article is as bad as saying mass shootings justify gun bans.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 24, 2017, 04:10:27 AM »
How does remarking on Trump's tactical response to the pussy tape equal thinking it is fair to do so? 

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: May 22, 2017, 04:51:24 AM »
Well the MVP award is for the current year, so that bodes well for Westbrook. If it were for multiple years, you would have a point. Lebron's impact on the league is irrelevant to the award by definition and he plays on the team with the highest payroll in history, so let's not pretend we are talking about Cavaliers circa 2007, James Harden did as much to get his team where they are. Lebron also had quite a few "DNP - rest" games. Hard to give the regular season MVP to a guy who basically acted like the regular season was irrelevant; a foregone conclusion.

Also, they lost tonight. SAD!

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: May 22, 2017, 01:14:24 AM »
for sure I out Westbrook and Harden above him.  Kawhi and Lebron you could go either way this year. Kawhi's defense is better than Lebron's and vice versa on offense. It's not outrageous to have Lebron as number 4 this year.
lolok

Sweet comeback.
Not sure what else you expect when you un-ironically claim Westbrook is more valuable. He wasn't even the MVP of OKC until this year, but yeah he's totes legit MVP candidate. Legend has it that he's still fighting his own team for rebounds to pad those stats.

He didn't fight his team for those rebounds, his big men boxed people out so he could get them. Other than that your SexWarrior impression needs some work. Westbrook lead the league in scoring, PER and averaged a triple double, with some admittedly padded rebound stats. He is obviously a top three MVP candidate and will probably win it. James Harden was the super productive heart and soul of a D'antoni offense-or-bust system and is another no-brained candidate. You can easily make a Lebron is top 3 candidate, I'm not saying otherwise, but you can easily make a Kawhi argument too. His defense is through the roof and he blossomed in to a dominant offensive player this season too. Its totally reasonable to have LBJ 4th, poor guy. I'm pretty sure the one person who didn't vote for him on the all-NBA team is just hating though.

Addendum: Let's not forget that the Cavs seriously struggled through the middle of the season too. If the Cavs dominated wire to wire we are having a different conversation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 22, 2017, 01:04:50 AM »
But trump was rather incredulous that they were an ally and thought it ridiculous and corrupt to accept money from them.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: May 21, 2017, 11:36:49 PM »
for sure I out Westbrook and Harden above him.  Kawhi and Lebron you could go either way this year. Kawhi's defense is better than Lebron's and vice versa on offense. It's not outrageous to have Lebron as number 4 this year.
lolok

Sweet comeback.

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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA is not fake.
« on: May 21, 2017, 11:36:04 PM »
Oh! I know! Nothing...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 21, 2017, 09:13:18 PM »
Didn't Trump spend a bunch of time bitching about the US relations with Saudi Arabia? He's not draining the swamp he is the fucking swamp.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 21, 2017, 03:55:06 PM »
How do you know Trump isn't as corrupt?  I am not disagreeing necessarily, but that seems like something you don't really have any way of knowing.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: May 21, 2017, 04:09:08 AM »
for sure I out Westbrook and Harden above him.  Kawhi and Lebron you could go either way this year. Kawhi's defense is better than Lebron's and vice versa on offense. It's not outrageous to have Lebron as number 4 this year.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: May 20, 2017, 04:05:30 PM »
Lebron is bitched to reporters that he wasn't in the top 3 for MVP voting and that he wasn't a unanimous pick for the All-NBA first team.  Poor guy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 20, 2017, 03:43:22 PM »
Both of your parties are shit, so I don't envy having to vote in the States.  At least in Canada we have three shit parties.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: May 20, 2017, 06:38:21 AM »
Why was Cleveland playing a d-league team tonight anyway?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 19, 2017, 06:14:44 PM »
Influenced how? If you mean that their media and leaders openly endorsed him and spread some dubious rumours worldwide to boost his popularity - sorry, that's hardly controversial. They can voice their views much like anyone else. The alternative would be censorship of the media, which would be a bigger issue.

Which is what I said, everyone can see that Russia influenced the election to some degree.  No conspiracy there.

What has also been reported is that the Trump campaign had 18 undisclosed contacts with Russians, which is a no no.  Perhaps they were innocuous, perhaps not, but it is something that should be put to rest one way or the other.

There is no Michale Flynn "collusion" with the Russian government -- all he is accused of is receiving payment for a speech/interview he once gave to Russia Today in 2015.

Incorrect, this is not why he was dismissed as National Security Advisor.   

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The accusations against Trump are completely fabricated. There is no evidence or merit whatsoever.

The Trump campaign also had 18 undisclosed communications with Russia, which after the actions of Michael Flynn just further muddies the waters. 



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