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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: Today at 03:20:57 AM »
I'm particularly interested in whether the sun and the moon are inside the dome or not; and thus, whether the dome affects on how we see them or not.

I am interested in whether the dome is round - like an upside down bowl - or if the flat earth has sort of a flat roof over
it ?
And how the dome (or the roof) fits in with the ice ring/ice wall ?

(There is an old painting showing a man kneeling down at the edge of the earth and peering out from a hole in the dome where the bottom of the dome meets the earth.)

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: Today at 03:02:50 AM »
I'm particularly interested in whether the sun and the moon are inside the dome or not; and thus, whether the dome affects on how we see them or not.

I've seen the answers to some questions on previous posts, but I would just like to get them all together for review.
FE's only please. I will try to refrain from making any "round earth" remarks until all the "flat earth" answers are in from the FE's.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: Today at 12:11:22 AM »
I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.

Do you believe in Antarctica as the ice ring / or / ice wall ?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: Today at 12:02:50 AM »
I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.

Thank you, Roundy.
I have heard that there are some FE believers that do believe in the dome.
I would just like to see what information they  have.
And what is the basis for it.

Also, Thank You, too, TomInAustin
Those are interesting questions, too.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 24, 2017, 11:01:42 PM »
No debate intended. Just a review of information about the dome.
(1) What is the dome made of ?
(2) How high above the earth is the dome ?
(3) Where is the bottom or base of the dome ?
(4) Any other information on the dome ?

(5) What's beyond it?
(6) Are there any gates, doors, portholes etc?

I'm not going to make any guesses, which are my usual mistakes on posts such as this one.
I'm not going to debate any information a FE posts.

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I am a relative newcomer to the FES websites. I have only been here about 3 years. But it has just gotten worse and worse over that time. Most of what you get from FE's now are.:
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I could give you some examples, but you've probably seen them all.

Simply being banned was not on your list, and that often happens elsewhere. You have been here 3 years and still are: that's encouraging.

As I said  previously this old "sinking ship" is an example of your "This silly debate just isn't worth blindness." to us ancient mariners and navy veterans.LOL.

Right, but just in case I wasn't clear enough, that was meant to be taken literally. For anyone who wishes to experiment with theodolites and the sun.

I have been banned several times for various reasons.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Dome
« on: May 24, 2017, 07:35:16 PM »
No debate intended. Just a review of information about the dome.
(1) What is the dome made of ?
(2) How high above the earth is the dome ?
(3) Where is the bottom or base of the dome ?
(4) Any other information on the dome ?

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Someone has suggested using a welding helmet to look diectly at the sun.



As I said in another topic, I used to do orientation up to the accuracy of 0.1 degrees with the help of the sun while in the army. We had theodolites that had attachable solar filters, especially made for this purpose.

It's worth noting that while anyone can buy theodolites for civilian use as well, they don't necessarily have solar filters as default: the method used is needlessly complicated for civilian use, because in civilian use there usually are some fixed points available for accurate orientation (unlike in enemy territory), and apart from that there's just no reason to use the theodolite to look at the sun. So if someone wants to try this, make sure you use a solar filter purposefully intended for this use.

This silly debate just isn't worth blindness.

I am a relative newcomer to the FES websites. I have only been here about 3 years. But it has just gotten worse and worse over that time. Most of what you get from FE's now are.:
(1) Ignored
(2) "It's fake !"
(3)  Insults
(4) Profanity
(5) Vulgarity
(6) And probably a lot of the other

I could give you some examples, but you've probably seen them all.
One had to with the distance from the earth to the moon and how the measurements were done.
But it is becoming an interesting website for the interesting facts posted by the so-called "globulists" , "roundies", "round earthers", et cetera, et cetera, and so forth !
In a way it has become educational and entertaining.

As I said  previously this old "sinking ship" is an example of your "This silly debate just isn't worth blindness." to us ancient mariners and navy veterans.LOL.

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I have a question about these telescopes.

If they can restore ships after those have disappeared, can they restore the sun as well after it has set? After all, the sun is 1) remarkably larger than any ship, both absolutely and relatively, and 2) not claimed to be at or even close to the sea level, but a significant distance (whatever that is) above it.

The sun shrinks as it sets into the sea, first from a circle into a semicircle, and eventually into a dot, and then disappears. But if you use a good telescope – the same telescope you have used to see the ships – immediately after the dot has disappeared, can you then see the dot again, or better still, can you see the semicircle again?

Obviously you need to be on or near the shore to watch the sunset, the weather needs to be clear and there must not be any islands or something obstructing the view, but surely places like this exist within reach for most of us somewhere. Oh, and don't forget eye protection if you want to look directly at the sun.

That is an amazing question and could only be answered yes if the flat earth model is correct.   We have amateur telescopes that can see the rings of Saturn and the storm on Jupiter and we also have sun filters for same.  This issue can be proven.  Here is a link to said filters. 

http://thousandoaksoptical.com/products/solar-filters/

If the sun is down and you look west from the coast with a powerful telescope you can see the sun if FE is correct.  You may have to correct to the south a bit, right?  This should be possible hours after sunset.

Who is willing to say "Case Closed"?  I am willing to change my mind if this simple test can be done.

I would be willing to say "Case Closed" !  LOL
It can only be IMPOSSIBLE because the earth is NOT flat.
To anyone who is or has ever been in the navy, this old "recovering the sinking ship" is one of the greatest , if not THE greatest of the flat earth fallacies. Might as well say you could recover San Diego or Honolulu to view with a telescope when you are at sea halfway between them . ROFLOL.

Just an aside on sun filters and that "shadow object." Using sun filters, we can take photos of the transits of Mercury, Venus or even the ISS across the sun. We should be able to do the same for the "shadow object".....Unless it becomes magically invisible......???

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I have a question about these telescopes.

If they can restore ships after those have disappeared, can they restore the sun as well after it has set? After all, the sun is 1) remarkably larger than any ship, both absolutely and relatively, and 2) not claimed to be at or even close to the sea level, but a significant distance (whatever that is) above it.

The sun shrinks as it sets into the sea, first from a circle into a semicircle, and eventually into a dot, and then disappears. But if you use a good telescope – the same telescope you have used to see the ships – immediately after the dot has disappeared, can you then see the dot again, or better still, can you see the semicircle again?

Obviously you need to be on or near the shore to watch the sunset, the weather needs to be clear and there must not be any islands or something obstructing the view, but surely places like this exist within reach for most of us somewhere. Oh, and don't forget eye protection if you want to look directly at the sun.

You need to be at sea or on the shore to observe "the sinking ship", too.
The navy has some very large and very powerful telescopes , too. If anyone could do it, they could. They can't.
Someone has suggested using a welding helmet to look diectly at the sun.

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Re:"Half-sunken ships Restored by simply lòoking at them through a Telescope"+
I think the OP has been answered.There is no way you can do this.
Except when you grab a telescope and actually do it :-*

Have you ever been to sea and actually did it ?
Are all you calling "SilentService" and myself liars ?

Let's be sure we're talking about the same thing.
Is this about a ship which has gone out of sight as it passed  beyond the norizon ? You can't restore it with a telescope.
Or is this about a ship which has become so small it can no longer be seen with the naked eye , but can be restored with a telescope before it has passed beyond the horizon ? You can restore it with a telescope.

How about an island that seems to grow out of the sea as you sail closer?

Same thing. Like the island of Oahu.....or Guam....or Japan.

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Re:"Half-sunken ships Restored by simply lòoking at them through a Telescope"+
I think the OP has been answered.There is no way you can do this.
Except when you grab a telescope and actually do it :-*

Are you calling "SilentService" and myself liars ?
Have you ever been to sea and actually did it ?
Let's be sure we're talking about the same thing.
(1) Is this about a ship which has gone out of sight as it passed, or after it has  passed,   beyond the norizon ? You can't restore it with a telescope.
(2) Or is this about a ship which has become so small it can no longer be seen with the naked eye , but can be restored with a telescope before it has passed beyond the horizon ? You can restore it with a telescope.
Been there. Done that. Both of 'em.

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I think that the best way to determine wheter the earth has a curve is using a laser pointer and a table with measurements to notice how the laser goes "higher" the farter we move from its origin.
Why use a laser with a beam that gets wider at farther distances?  There is a thing that has been used to do this for nearly 100 years.  It's call a theodolite.  A used digital one can be acquired for under $500.

im just saying, even if the beam gets wider, it should be noted the change in height it still shows on the measurement object on would be using. And lasers are very potent, there are some that can reach to cockpits in comercial planes.
Yes, but to to take accurate measurements  one needs a screen that is larger than the beam so the center can be detected.  Many flat earth experiments have failed for this reason.  They assume that if they can see the laser that the center of the beam is at eye level.

Has anyone ever observed, experimented on, or proven the existence of curved water, anywhere, ever?

Anyone who has ever been to sea has observed, or proven the existence of curved water , has done it many times, at sea or from the shore looking out to sea.

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Re:"Half-sunken ships Restored by simply lòoking at them through a Telescope"+
I think the OP has been answered.There is no way you can do this.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New here
« on: May 21, 2017, 09:25:51 PM »
Just ask any one in any Navy if they have ever "restored to view with a telescope a ship which has passed out of view, over and beyond the horizon."
If I ever meet someone from the Navy, I will be sure to ask them. I am not sure how that is remotely relevant, however. Do people in the navy regularly use telescopes?
Ooh, pick me!  Pick me!

Yes we do, in fact! 

There is a device called a telescopic alidade that is a navigational tool.  As the name implies, it contains a telescope used for picking up landmarks, and a prism in the eyepiece displays the relative bearing (or sometimes the compass heading) to that object across the bottom of the user's field of view.

Here's an example from a ship still in active service, lest you think it's a technique from the past and not the present:

A more obvious telescope: lookouts posted on a high deck use a dual telescope (an instrument known as the "big eyes" to any sailor) all the time.  Big Eyes are a pair of alt-az mounted binoculars with properties better than entry level telescopes.

US Navy example, again from a ship sailing today:


Canadian Navy example:


Civilians do this too. Here's a researcher from NOAA:


Well....You DID ask a question and you DID get some answers. LOL

Next , ask those sailors if they can do this with those telescopes (Quote) "Restore to view a ship which has passed out of sight and become invisible after it has passed over and beyond the horizon."

Join the Navy and get an education !

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How big is the conspiracy?
« on: May 21, 2017, 03:02:17 PM »
Well, every military organization, certainly.

So are all of the national civil aviation organizations, such as the Federal Aviation in the United States.
So are all the amateur radio operators who participated in "Operation Moonbeam".
So are  their organizations, such as the American Radio Relay League and the Radio Society of Great Britain.
So is the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey.
So is the National Geographic Society.
And a few thousand other organizations.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat earth map is wrong
« on: May 21, 2017, 02:51:10 PM »
Please explain how it shows on the flat earth maps why it is a longer distance from Australia to south America than it is from uae  to Australia? Also when I flew from Doha to Melbourne I flew over Indian ocean but you can't go that route on the flat earth map, the flat earth has you over India . also if you circumnavigate earth if it is a globe then it can travel in a straight path round and on flat earth you go in a circle so you stop going straight and start adding time and distance.? If maps wrong then how can it be fixed without changing distance between the different points?


There is really no flat earth map. The only so-called flat earth map (the one with the "ice ring") is actually the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection (of the globe).  Like most projections, there is distortion in some areas.The AEP is distorted south of the equator.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New here
« on: May 20, 2017, 05:52:59 PM »
Certainly some questions are addressed adequately on the Wiki...but others really are not.

I think I've now carefully read all of the pages there...and there is a LOT that's missing.

I'd REALLY like to see an FE star map.  Where are all of the familiar southern constellations on the FE map of the stars?  How do people in the southern hemisphere see the stars when they look toward the south?  Something very odd must be happening.

I'd like some idea of how FE accounts for the fact that there are two tides each day - one when the moon is overhead and the other about 12 hours later.

I would really like to see an FE Map, too.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New here
« on: May 20, 2017, 05:34:17 PM »
No matter how many times you may say it, you can not change the simple fact that the earth is not some flat disc but it is an "oblate spheroid" or the globe.
Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claim?

And this been known for quite some time, so it must be assumed that this website is a repository on how things would have to be if the earth was flat.
This is literally a non-sequitur. I am sorry if you don't understand that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are simply wrong about the purpose of this site.

Just ask any one in any Navy if they have ever "restored to view with a telescope a ship which has passed out of view, over and beyond the horizon."
If I ever meet someone from the Navy, I will be sure to ask them. I am not sure how that is remotely relevant, however. Do people in the navy regularly use telescopes?

See  the posts from "SilentService" regarding the use of telescopes in in the Navy. I would suggest you contact a commissioned officer or some petty officer involved in navigation for your questions. "SilentService" would be a good source.

And I served in the Navy and know that the "restoring a ship to view with a telescope" is perhaps one of the greatest fallacy of the flat earth fallacies. If a ship has passed so far that it is no longer visible to the naked eye, you can restore it to view, but only if it has not passed over, or beyond the horizon. Once it has passed over the horizon, it is impossible to restore it to view, This is due to the curvature of the earth. Be sure to ask a specialist. The Navy is highly specialized, especially in the ranks of "specialty ratings " of the petty officers. A "QMC" (QuarterMaster, Chief Petty Officer)  would be the best person in the Navy for you to meet.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How big is the conspiracy?
« on: May 20, 2017, 05:09:42 PM »
Maybe I should tell something about my own history.

I have done military service in field artillery, as a positioner. A part of my duty was to determine exact direction to the north (and obviously all other directions as well) with an allowed error of less than 0.1 degrees. A compass is not good enough: especially not so, because as soldiers we usually carried weapons and other equipment, that have iron in them...

However, there are some ways to do this using certain devices:
  • to measure the relative direction between two known points (easiest, but often not available on an enemy controlled territory)
  • to measure the relative direction to the sun on a given second (daytime only)
  • to measure the relative direction to a certain distant star on a given second (night time only; there were 7 different stars with precalculated paths, chosen from different parts of the sky, so that any night at least some of them should be visible if only clouds allowed)
  • to find the direction of the rotational axis of the earth

During peace time the use of GPS helps a little, but as my country is not a member of NATO, it cannot be relied upon in case of a conflict.

Now the question: does my history and experience in various land surveying techniques – or even the mere knowledge of the existence of such techniques – make me a part of the conspiracy?

Apparently your military unit is part of the conspiracy, too. I served in the U.S. Navy. It is part of the conspiracy, too, for they operate on subjects you mentioned based on the earth being a globe. Apparently every organization in the world is part of the conspiracy.

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