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Flat Earth General / Re: To any flat earther...
« on: June 05, 2017, 03:45:32 PM »
If you guys are 100% "woke", intelligent, "not brainwashed", smarter than 99% of the world etc, etc....Why exactly do you choose to waste your time & superior knowledge trying to prove


Had to stop you there because no one tries to prove anything.   Sparsely populated WIKI and FAW that's spoken of as if it's a bible etc.

ENAG and "The Sacred Texts" are the flat earth bibles. Written by the Prophet and Saint Sir Samuel Birley Rowbotham, PhD, MD , in the 19th Century.

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Flat Earth General / Re: To any flat earther...
« on: June 05, 2017, 03:38:46 PM »
How is truth a waste of time?

On the FES it is. LOL.

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Flat Earth General / Re: To any flat earther...
« on: June 05, 2017, 02:47:34 PM »
If you guys are 100% "woke", intelligent, "not brainwashed", smarter than 99% of the world etc, etc....Why exactly do you choose to waste your time & superior knowledge trying to prove it to everybody (which is impossible) instead of moving on and solving the biggest real world problems?

If it's flat it's flat, you guys won & NOTHING will ever change that, so why not just move on to problems that can be changed? Like HUMAN SUFFERING? Why play the "I'm right you're wrong" game nonstop with those "sheep" sphere earth believers like you're all a bunch of kids? When you know for a fact flat earth is true?

I personally knew 9 people who were victims of either the gun, or a disease (I wasn't born in a 1st world country if that number surprises you) how is flat earth gonna stop me from being next?

And why keep talking about it if you solved it already? You're never gonna convince everybody, especially people like me, who thinks about bigger problems than the earths shape.

Your movement is gonna always look 10000% pointless to somebody like me, and I represent 99% of society anywhere.

But If you want me, and the rest of society to seriously care, solve any problem bigger than the earths shape to prove your claims of intelligence, and THEN tell us the earth is flat when you become a celeb for curing cancer. We're sheep, we love our celebs.

But seriously though, until you guys get off the internet and actually use your "intelligence", to benefit society in a major way, you're always gonna be as relevant as the graffiti you see on walls, you're saying something but you're not really important. Therefore your words cannot be trusted. If flat earth is true, come together and use your superior reasoning skills to save us sheep from the problems we suffer from, due to our ignorance and we will believe anything you say.

I'm not even trying to be funny, this is literally the only way somebody like me who has bigger problems than conspiracies, the earths shape, etc, is ever gonna believe this theory. Sphere earth makes perfect sense the science is all there, the math is all there, and all the debunking videos, or math I have seen you guys do are all false, and it's either due to the "debunkers" own ignorance on the topic, or they're simply choosing to lie to you all, or following a lie already made up.

You guys need to seriously research sphere earth the same way you did with flat earth, there is no simple answer to anything, that's why people are in collage right now studying for 4 years straight. All you have to do is research it, and if that's too hard to do, like I said before, cure any disease you want or end poverty it doesn't matter...Then go tell me the earth is flat. Nobody is gonna really care until you guys have credentials, that's how the world works.

You are right on all points, but at least some of us "round earthers" take these FES websites as "spoofs" and come to these websites for the entertainment. What ideas (they call them "flat earth theories") are they going to come up with next ? LOL.
Everyone knows that the earth is a globe......But maybe there are really those who only THINK that it isn't ? But could they just be pretending ?
If only they would be a bit more polite about it......Sigh........
There is a lot of good stuff on the Internet......but then there are things like the FES.
But then again there are good points to these FES websites....Interesting "RE" facts and evidence.
They have prompted me to do some research, and I have learned a few things in the process.
One thing I have learned : You never stop learning !
But don't mention your credentials ! That's a "No-No"  !

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: June 04, 2017, 09:24:36 PM »
I have no idea where you are getting your information from.
Really, Tom, no idea?  You've been a member here for three and a half years, and have no idea where a person might get the information that some flat earth folks believe in a dome?

Here is what I have read about the dome.
What I am looking for are corrections, additions or clarifications from FES experts.
I am just interested in as much information about the dome as possible.
No debate intended.:
Some say it is made of water. Some say it is made of ice. Some say it is made of brass or some other metal.
The dome is solid.
Nothing can get in or beyond it.
Space travel is impossible.
Space travel is a fake and a lie.
So is NASA.
Some say the sun, the moon and the stars are just below the dome.
Again.
Just looking for any consensus amongst FE's ?
I would think Tom Bishop would have some expertise on the subject ?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Some Questions From A New Member
« on: June 03, 2017, 10:28:52 PM »
1. Are other planets flat too or is it just Earth? What about the Moon and the Sun?
Opinions differ, but most of us agree that planets are round.

2. Why do toilets flush the other way in the "southern" hemisphere?
You fell victim of an urban legend. There is no connection between a toilet's or sink's location and what way the direction in which the water will swirl. A quick Google search will bring up plenty of articles like this one to confirm this.

3. How thick is the flat Earth? Could we drill down and fall through it?
The Earth is at least 6400km thick, and drilling through it would cause you to reach its molten layer. Beyond that, it becomes somewhat meaningless.

I am in agreement with you about the problem of what would happen if you drilled deep enough to to reach the moltrn core.
Question :
What is below the molten core ?
If you drilled deep enough to reach the molten core would it erupt and cause a volcano due to the upward acceleration ?
Something like an oil well gusher or a geyser ?
Of course this is all problematical. It's very doubtful if such a hole could be drilled in the first place ?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Some Questions From A New Member
« on: June 03, 2017, 10:01:07 PM »
(1) I have  read that some FE's said that planets do not exist ?
That's great, I'm very happy for you. Now, why don't you go back to Complete Nonsense and Angry Ranting where you belong?

I'm going to try to stop posting "round earth answers" and try to concentrate on just asking "flat earth questions."
I'm just interesting in seeing questions and will try to refrain from making any comments from now on.
I'll leave that to the others.
Some questions do seem to go unanswered though.

But don't you agree that if this is a website for free thinkers that the opinions of other flat earth believers who believe that there are no planets should be respected just as much as those who believe that there is an ice ring ?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Some Questions From A New Member
« on: June 03, 2017, 08:32:02 PM »
1. Are other planets flat too or is it just Earth? What about the Moon and the Sun?
Opinions differ, but most of us agree that planets are round.

2. Why do toilets flush the other way in the "southern" hemisphere?
You fell victim of an urban legend. There is no connection between a toilet's or sink's location and what way the direction in which the water will swirl. A quick Google search will bring up plenty of articles like this one to confirm this.

3. How thick is the flat Earth? Could we drill down and fall through it?
The Earth is at least 6400km thick, and drilling through it would cause you to reach its molten layer. Beyond that, it becomes somewhat meaningless.

(1) I have  read that some FE's said that planets do not exist ?
How large are the planets ?
How far above the earth are they ?

(2) The toilet swirl question seems to be just due to the design of the toilet itself.About a bath tub, shower stall, sink, or lavatory , etc. drain ? Same thing- "just the design of the object" affects the direction of the swirl.

3)How has it been measured ?
What method ?
What's on the underside ?
What's beyond , or what's under ,  the underside ?
Is there a reference to these questions in the FAQ, wiki, ENAG , etc. ?
In the words of James Thurber, "You could look it up." ?

Here is another question.
Putting aside the question of hitting the molten core of the flst earth.
If you drilled that hole and you jumped into it , would the upward acceleration just come up and stop you ?
Just like jumping off that chair and the floor accelerating upward to meet your feet ?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Some Questions From A New Member
« on: June 02, 2017, 05:06:56 AM »
I just joined this forum and don't yet know what to think. I have a couple of questions about the Flat Earth model that I am confused about.
1. Are other planets flat too or is it just Earth? What about the Moon and the Sun?
2. Why do toilets flush the other way in the "southern" hemisphere?
3. How thick is the flat Earth? Could we drill down and fall through it?

Thanks! I have never thought about these things before and am really excited to learn the truth.

I'm not a flat earth either, but I find this website interesting for the explanations of how things are on a flat esrth.
If you would like some information on my "round earth" qualifications, send me a PM and I will be glad to answer.
I have listed them frequently, but I have been warned by one moderator to not do that any more.
The answers to your questions would be answered better by a flat earther, so although I know what the flat answers are, it would be best if I left it to the FE's to answer them.
The usual answer is to read the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions), the flat earth wiki and ENAG (Earth Not A Globe, written by Samuel Birley Rowbotham, an English author who claimed to have both PhD and MD Degrees) or "The Sacred Texts."  Much of the flat earth information comes from Rowbotham's writings, written in the 19th Century.

I have also heard that the swirl of water in the toilet is just due to the design of the toilet.

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I feel that the center of the earth is being held in a type of prison, with Antarctica being the prison bars. Perhaps the other lands and oceans beyond our confinement is where we get things like Atlantis and Lemuria from. Atlantis never sank but is being kept out of sight from the central earth society. The planet, or the globe model, is nothing more than something I would call the CES (Central Earth Society).

Maybe the edge of the earth in the far distant waters would make you pop back at the other side of the map? Kind of like what happens in video games. Lots of speculation. Who knows? The people of the CES are not meant to know (you and me).  ???

Everyone is entitled to their own fantasies. LOL.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Your maps size things wrong
« on: June 01, 2017, 04:09:52 AM »
I get that.

It has already been pointed out that the FE map doesn't give us the right distances between (say) Sydney and Perth, Australia.

We might forgive that because FE proponents may not have the time/skills/knowledge to produce an accurate map that would stand up to that degree of accuracy - but we can't easily forgive the fact that the Sydney to Santiago, Chile, Quantas flight 27 (which is flown non-stop by a 747-400 airplane) is a 12 hour flight - which would require the 747-400 to fly more than twice it's maximum speed.

In RE terms, Sydney to Santiago is around 7,000 miles - which is comfortably within the range of a 747-400 - and flying at a fuel-efficient speed of around 600mph, 12 hours is a reasonable flight time.

In FE terms, Sydney to Santiago is more like 18,000 miles - which would require to refuelling stops - and the ability to fly at speed in excess of Concorde to get the trip completed in 12 hours.

This is not the only Quantas airlines flight with problems for FE proponents.  The non-stop Johannesberg, South Africa, to Perth, Australia flight takes 9 hours...and again, that would require a Mach 2 version of the 747 with a refuelling stop someplace in between in the FE world.

The only explanation I've heard so far is "Jet Streams"...which are claimed to be very fast south of the equator...which speed the plane along.  Mmmm'k.

But a wind that strong (far in excess of the speed of sound) would make ALL long distance flights in the West-to-East direction completely impossible...so this doesn't work.

Even more at issue - the shortest distance routes on the Flat Earth take the Sydney-Santiago flight over North America and all down the coast of South America.   The RE "great circle" route takes you over open ocean almost the entire way.   You'd think that pilots would have noticed that they were flying over land for much of the trip...and that the rate of passage of that land beneath the aircraft was indicating ground speeds in excess of Mach II.

This is (I suppose) dismissable as the airline pilots being "in" on the conspiracy - and airline passengers not looking out of the window during much of the flight.

But I used to work making 747 flight simulators to train those pilots...and our simulations were "round earth" (trust me - doing it in flat earth would have been a hell of a lot simpler!)...so wouldn't I have had to be part of the conspiracy too?

Which means...well, I'm not sure what it means...but it doesn't make sense!

But I used to be in the navy and worked on military things like surface search radars and also on civilian things like the spacing of microwave repeater stations.
They were all based on the earth being a globe.......so wouldn't I have had to be part of the conspiracy too ?

Well !..........3DGeek.....We must be related......You're a 3D and I'm a gecko !  Welcome to the club ! LOL

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: 1 Simple question for FEs
« on: June 01, 2017, 12:34:50 AM »

Could you answer these questions ? :
(1)Where is the horizon on a flat earth ?
(2)How far does it appear to be from a 6 feet tall observer standing on the shore at sea level ?
(3)How far does it appear to be from a lookout in the crow's nest 100 feet above sea level ?

Ask any lookout in any navy. They can give you the "round earth" answers....backed up with evidence.





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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: 1 Simple question for FEs
« on: June 01, 2017, 12:12:49 AM »
If you get these kind of answers, just realize that this is The Flat Earth Society.
For answers to your questions , a visit to an astronomical observatory would be a good place to get them.
But be advised that they are part of the conspiracy hiding the fact that the earth is flat...According to the FES.
According to FES, we can't see the sun because it just shines directly down on the earth - like a spot light.
Besides, we can't see the sun because it gets so far away in its orbit over the earth.
Sun, moon and stars are just below the dome over the earth.
The sun does not shine on the moon. The moon is self-illuminated by some kind of bio-illumination....According to the FES.Only  the FES knows the truth.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If the Sun is close...
« on: May 31, 2017, 04:17:06 PM »
The horizon is not perfectly flat, which means that the sun will disappear behind any slight imperfections on the earth's surface as the perspective lines converge. It is noted in Earth Not a Globe that it has long been known that the sunset over water takes longer when the waters are calmer compared to when they are choppy.

First, if you're going to say something like this, it needs to be true.  Nowhere in ENaG can I find anything relating water or waves to sunset.  Or to sunrise.  Or to anything about the sun at all.  Honestly, Tom, we round earthers read your stupid book more often than you do, you're going to get called out when you lie about its contents.

Second, even if it had been in there it would mean nothing, since a lot of the statements in that tired old text are outright fabrications.  For example, the following is a list (with links) of other preposterous things also "noted in Earth Not a Globe":

A) The landmasses of the earth float on the sea, and are restrained from wandering about by giant fingers of land anchoring them to the southern ice
B) The ocean, in turn, floats on a bed of steam above the Biblical lake of fire
C) Ocean water is not as salty out at sea as it is near the shore
D) The far south is in perpetual darkness
E) The South Georgia islands are under many fathoms of snow in the summer
F) Sunlight puts out fire
G) Moonlight has heat sucking powers

Any ONE of these ludicrous propositions is enough to discredit him; the fact that they're all in the same book makes one wonder if he was trying to let people know it was all a big joke.

One more example of derailing the OP (If the sun is close) with off-topic gibberish.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If the Sun is close...
« on: May 31, 2017, 04:09:29 PM »
The horizon is not perfectly flat, which means that the sun will disappear behind any slight imperfections on the earth's surface as the perspective lines converge. It is noted in Earth Not a Globe that it has long been known that the sunset over water takes longer when the waters are calmer compared to when they are choppy.

First, if you're going to say something like this, it needs to be true.  Nowhere in ENaG can I find anything relating water or waves to sunset.  Or to sunrise.  Or to anything about the sun at all.  Honestly, Tom, we round earthers read your stupid book more often than you do, you're going to get called out when you lie about its contents.

Second, even if it had been in there it would mean nothing, since a lot of the statements in that tired old text are outright fabrications.  For example, the following is a list (with links) of other preposterous things also "noted in Earth Not a Globe":

A) The landmasses of the earth float on the sea, and are restrained from wandering about by giant fingers of land anchoring them to the southern ice
B) The ocean, in turn, floats on a bed of steam above the Biblical lake of fire
C) Ocean water is not as salty out at sea as it is near the shore
D) The far south is in perpetual darkness
E) The South Georgia islands are under many fathoms of snow in the summer
F) Sunlight puts out fire
G) Moonlight has heat sucking powers

Any ONE of these ludicrous propositions is enough to discredit him; the fact that they're all in the same book makes one wonder if he was trying to let people know it was all a big joke.

Add the illustration on the next reply (#33) to the "ludicrous" list. It should be obvious why. Note that point D is apparently at a point where the water level is depressed in the center.
(F) & (G) Also.....While sunlight will put out a fire, moonlight will support it.
A beam of light from the moon focused on a thermometer will cause the temperature to drop on a thermometer.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If the Sun is close...
« on: May 31, 2017, 04:00:45 PM »
The horizon is not perfectly flat, which means that the sun will disappear behind any slight imperfections on the earth's surface as the perspective lines converge. It is noted in Earth Not a Globe that it has long been known that the sunset over water takes longer when the waters are calmer compared to when they are choppy.

First, if you're going to say something like this, it needs to be true.  Nowhere in ENaG can I find anything relating water or waves to sunset.  Or to sunrise.  Or to anything about the sun at all.  Honestly, Tom, we round earthers read your stupid book more often than you do, you're going to get called out when you lie about its contents.

Second, even if it had been in there it would mean nothing, since a lot of the statements in that tired old text are outright fabrications.  For example, the following is a list (with links) of other preposterous things also "noted in Earth Not a Globe":

A) The landmasses of the earth float on the sea, and are restrained from wandering about by giant fingers of land anchoring them to the southern ice
B) The ocean, in turn, floats on a bed of steam above the Biblical lake of fire
C) Ocean water is not as salty out at sea as it is near the shore
D) The far south is in perpetual darkness
E) The South Georgia islands are under many fathoms of snow in the summer
F) Sunlight puts out fire
G) Moonlight has heat sucking powers

Any ONE of these ludicrous propositions is enough to discredit him; the fact that they're all in the same book makes one wonder if he was trying to let people know it was all a big joke.

Just about any ONE thing on this website makes one wonder if this website is  the "One big hoax or one big joke" which seems to be a widespread opinion on the Internet.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If the Sun is close...
« on: May 30, 2017, 11:45:34 PM »
No. Newton wrote the Principia 350 years ago. It doesn't matter in the slightest how old the book is, only the content of the ideas. It just so happens that Rowbotham is a sloppy theorist and experimentalist as well.
The point was that Rowbotmam's audiences over 150 years ago were mostly illiterate and they believed him.
People are a bit more literate today.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If the Sun is close...
« on: May 30, 2017, 11:35:03 PM »
You can't have it both ways.   If visual perspective seems to shrink things the further they are from us (which it undoubtedly does) then why is the sun the same exact size on the horizon as it is at noon?

In RE, it's not a problem - the sun is always at the same distance (well, more or less) so it's size is the same no matter where it is in the sky.

So, sorry Flat Earthers - your video is bogus.  BUSTED.

This was discussed by Samuel Birley Rowbotham over 150 years ago. Please read Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham. Alternatively, you may visit the sun magnification article in our Wiki which we have long provided for people with queries on this subject, and basically provides the same explanation as is in Earth Not a Globe.


"Written by Samuel Birley Rowbotham over 150 years ago.
Doesn't that tell you something ? LOL
Most of ENAG is bogus.

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The earth is most likely flat, because that is what is observed.

The earth most likely has two poles, because two poles have been observed.

The firmament most likely does not exist, because it has not been observed.

The earth is most likely endless, because it is seemingly endless. No end has been observed.
You have a strange style of writing in statements, as if this give your words more authority...

In 2017 we have moved on from 'most likely'.

The earth has not been observed as flat.  We see the movement of the sun, measured distances, angle of the sun, satellites, GPS etc. as proof.

In 2017 (as it has it always has been and has proven to be  for quite some time) it's not "most likely" - it's the shape of the earth "IS" a globe.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do we know it's not octagonal?
« on: May 30, 2017, 05:59:34 PM »
A fellow member pointed out to me that nobody knows the shape of the earth as it stands. The circle theory hasn't been entirely proven, so how do we know it's not an octagon? In the Bible, God rested on the 7th day, but what about the 8th day? Octagons are commonly referred to, in the Hindu bible, as godly figures and symbols of nature and purity. Ancient Chinese explorers throughout the Han dynasty used octagonal maps to separate territories and are largely accurate to this day. Before the Greek gods were influenced by the Romans, there were only the 8 powerful deities. These deities were commonly associated into one worldy figure, each making up a side of the octagon.
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I don't know, but it seems plausiblse to me. It's a serious consideration in my mind.
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The shape of the earth has been known for quite some time. Unless you completely deny reality, there is no question about it.
But keep in mind that this  IS The Flat Earth Society website and it belongs to them and you have to take that into account in anything you read about anything that the earth is not a globe.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Firmament
« on: May 29, 2017, 06:39:27 PM »
I came across this on another website.

Reply :"You're free to believe what you believe. There are some who still believe that the earth is flat."
Reply : "Haha . That's true."

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