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Flat Earth General / Re: How orbits work.
« on: March 24, 2017, 04:38:27 AM »
Who said gravity is a perfect explanation for everything?  What a weird position.

I'm just quoting you guys here; I certainly never did!

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  I suppose if you are willing to believe in God any ridiculous thing can make sense, but I feel like a lot of people who argue in favor of gravity as a real thing don't even believe in God which is just bewildering.  How can you believe that you are magically attached to a giant whizzing ball without also believing in Divine Providence having stuck you there?

Because of evidence.

Psssh, flimsy at best.

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FET requires no God because it requires no magic.

Yes, well if I make up properties of a theory to make it sound ridiculous it will also sound ridiculous.

This doesn't address the issue.

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That is why it is the superior theory.

And it is a terrible theory because it can't offer up a cogent explanation for what we observe.

It is a superior theory because it doesn't strain to make up cogent explanations for what we observe.

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If I were to be as dishonest as you, I would just use your terrible "Magic" argument on various components that have been offered up: like UA.  It is even less descriptive than gravity as a theory.  Gravity has trouble describing the very very big and the very very small.  UA has trouble describing anything outside a completely homogeneous space, which, as we know, does not exist.

At least UA is consistent with what we observe, whether it is the correct theory or not.  Gravity is simply not consistent with what we observe!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 24, 2017, 02:42:25 AM »
Anyway, on the lighter side of Trump news:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/donald-trump-and-first-lady-melania-keep-separate-bedrooms-w473116

Of course it's Us Weekly so who knows if it's really true?  It's plausible; don't you think you'd be miserable if you were Melania?  Would you want to sleep in the same bed as a shriveled old troll like Donald?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 24, 2017, 02:04:41 AM »
Time just released an interview with Trump. Read the entire thing and tell me he does not sound like a crazy person.

To be fair they seem to have used the common trick of stating exactly what he said, rather than editing out the verbal tics and hesitations and stuff like is normally done in journalism to make it easier to read, the purpose of which is unquestionably to make him look dumber.

I don't see any verbal tics or hesitations included in the transcript. This is just the way that Trump talks, which has always been a key part of his brand. It carries the advantage of sounding endearing and honest when spoken (at least to his supporters), and the disadvantage of sounding like gibberish when written down.

I can't help but disagree.  Obviously he tends to meander when he's speaking, and that's not what I'm talking about.  Perhaps I expressed it wrong but this line from early on:
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But there will be, we are forming a committee.

I can't help but think if it was Obama they would have shortened it to "But we are forming a committee".  Everybody talks in a way that doesn't look good to some degree in print, and except in cases when they are trying to make the interviewees look like idiots a journalist will clean it up for the sake of clarity and aesthetics.  Otherwise most newspaper articles featuring man-on-the-street interviews would be as unreadable as this.  I see no reason to think this interview was cleaned up in such a way.

Now obviously the whole purpose of the article is to focus on the ways Trump manipulates or distorts facts to the extent that they come out as outright lies, and I suppose this kind of on-the-fly restructuring of a statement could be seen as an example of that.  I still can't help but think that the way Trump is presented is to some degree the verbal version of this Time Magazine cover from 1994 featuring OJ Simpson, which despite its stated justification is almost universally seen as an attempt to instantly create a negative impression of him.

You know.  For the propaganda.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 23, 2017, 06:15:16 PM »
Time just released an interview with Trump. Read the entire thing and tell me he does not sound like a crazy person.

To be fair they seem to have used the common trick of stating exactly what he said, rather than editing out the verbal tics and hesitations and stuff like is normally done in journalism to make it easier to read, the purpose of which is unquestionably to make him look dumber.

That being said he's clearly absolutely insane.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round earth definitive PROOF
« on: March 23, 2017, 05:23:43 AM »
Because nobody in history ever thought of using a flight around the world as proof of a round Earth before.  ::)

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Flat Earth General / Re: How orbits work.
« on: March 22, 2017, 05:59:38 AM »
Other than that it works fine all the way down to the subatomic scale as everyone knows.

Does it?  I was under the impression that on very small scales relativity breaks down.  Electrons don't orbit around a nucleus so much as zip and zap here and there.  I've always found the fact that gravity is considered so obvious a fundamental force yet its functioning breaks down both at very small and very large scales suspicious.  But perhaps it can be easily explained by saying that a Grand Creator put it here so it could be easily observed but only at scales we can view with our own eyes, such that it wasn't until we tried to really examine things closely that we saw that it didn't quite work right.  Too big or too small and things get dark or random.  But here in Mama Bear's bed things are "just right" so that gravity is a perfect explanation for everything all the time.  I suppose if you are willing to believe in God any ridiculous thing can make sense, but I feel like a lot of people who argue in favor of gravity as a real thing don't even believe in God which is just bewildering.  How can you believe that you are magically attached to a giant whizzing ball without also believing in Divine Providence having stuck you there?  FET requires no God because it requires no magic.  That is why it is the superior theory.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 21, 2017, 11:08:17 PM »
I feel like you guys must constantly be really bored to continue engaging TTIOH as much as you are.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat earth interrogation
« on: March 20, 2017, 08:08:45 PM »
Not everything is counterintuitive either.  Get over yourself.

Most of the science that deals with the FE Theroy is, though. But, in all honesty what weight am I putting into the words of the man who is content to not even explore possibilities that could disprove the FE due to its complexity:

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It would be interesting to be able to make sense of the absurdities of quantum mechanics, but there are just some things we can easily observe without understanding with our present level of knowledge.  Perhaps some day.

I have explored a great deal that people such as yourself have claimed dispute a flat Earth and it has all been wanting.  It's not your fault you believe what you do and I have the greatest sympathy.  But the Earth is flat.  Deal with it.
This is a debate about the shape of the earth.  Critiquing ones opponent can only resolve information about the opponent not the shape of the earth.  How does your opponents condition resolve your stance on the shape of the earth?

wat

Translation - "deal with it" is not a good enough reason bud.

But the purpose of this thread was just to state your opinion... there is no debate going on here. I also feel like flatout  intended something different with his question but obviously you didn't understand it either so at least I know it wasn't just me. Thanks for your support.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 18, 2017, 02:12:54 PM »
Oh and apparently they're throwing Fox News under the bus cause Fox reported that the UK helped Obama wiretap Trump.  Which is giving Trump grief.

FAKE NEWS!

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Flat Earth General / Re: How orbits work.
« on: March 17, 2017, 02:25:32 AM »
It's not opinion, it's an ancedotal description of a fact.

Ouch.  You should probably look up the definition of the word "anecdotal".  You're not making much sense.

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It's spelled "undeterred".  And this surprises you?

It's about time these lunatics were held accountable for it.  I just don't see freedom of religion as justification for what amounts to shockingly brutal child abuse.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: March 16, 2017, 01:57:13 AM »
I thought the opening montage set to Dylan's "The Times They Are A'Changing" was truly beautiful. After that it lost me.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Prove me wrong
« on: March 09, 2017, 09:13:44 PM »
Considering the Concorde has been out of use for years and as far as I know it's still the only commercial flight from which curvature could be viewed, this is clearly not what Crissy intended with her dare. Just another REer who thinks she knows what she's talking about but doesn't.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Problems with the Bishop Experiment
« on: March 08, 2017, 05:51:48 AM »
Obviously the article isn't going anywhere.  It's a cherished and revered cornerstone of FE experimentation.  You can nitpick about the details as far as your imagination allows but isn't the more sensible and less stressful route to just admit defeat?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 08, 2017, 03:07:06 AM »
What the goose said.  You have no reason to trust Trump, in fact have been given reason after reason after reason not to trust Trump, but your faith in him is secure.  Dave is probably right about you and at this point I would imagine a great deal of his other supporters (mostly the ones who aren't racist pieces of shit and actually voted for him because of his economic policies or whatnot); it's willful ignorance likely caused by a strong desire not to be proven wrong.

You sidestep, sidestep, sidestep when presented with something you don't want to face.  Again, I'd think you were trolling if you weren't doing the same thing most of his other followers are doing (indeed, what Trump himself has been doing since he took office).  It's just sad that 42% of the country is just as unwilling to face fact (actual fact, as opposed to the alternative variety the Trump camp loves) as you are.  And thanks to your blind obedience we have a madman dictating policy in the highest office in this country, and there's nothing that can be done about it because the sackless, ethics-challenged Republicans in Congress are fine looking the other way because so many people like you think he's doing a swell job and take everything he says at face value.

It literally (I mean literally) makes me sick.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 07, 2017, 10:41:27 PM »
It's sad. Normally I would assume TTIOH was trolling but it's become maddeningly clear that his gullibility represents more than forty percent of the country. *Sigh*

Well obviously I need help

Yes, that's been clear for years. Unfortunately I'm not a qualified psychiatric professional so I don't think I could be much help.  :(

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 07, 2017, 10:01:22 PM »
It's sad. Normally I would assume TTIOH was trolling but it's become maddeningly clear that his gullibility represents more than forty percent of the country. *Sigh*

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In all honesty such an experiment wouldn't prove anything to me so I'd probably be a bad candidate (as much as I'd love to see the apparent illusion of curvature caused by electromagnetic acceleration firsthand).

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 06, 2017, 03:05:05 PM »
Obama should really sue his ass for libel and defamation of character.  This is ridiculous.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat earth interrogation
« on: March 06, 2017, 03:55:17 AM »
Not everything is counterintuitive either.  Get over yourself.

Most of the science that deals with the FE Theroy is, though. But, in all honesty what weight am I putting into the words of the man who is content to not even explore possibilities that could disprove the FE due to its complexity:

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It would be interesting to be able to make sense of the absurdities of quantum mechanics, but there are just some things we can easily observe without understanding with our present level of knowledge.  Perhaps some day.

I have explored a great deal that people such as yourself have claimed dispute a flat Earth and it has all been wanting.  It's not your fault you believe what you do and I have the greatest sympathy.  But the Earth is flat.  Deal with it.
This is a debate about the shape of the earth.  Critiquing ones opponent can only resolve information about the opponent not the shape of the earth.  How does your opponents condition resolve your stance on the shape of the earth?

wat

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