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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 29, 2017, 06:08:52 PM »
Nice, respectable try. Bronze Medal, at best.

So is there, or isn't there, evidence that Trump and his team were under surveillance? I'd hate to dig up your old posts, because I don't really care that much. I remember you unequivocally saying there was no evidence any of it happened. So now you're conceding that it did happen, but just no proof that it happened to Trump himself. If you believe they spied on everyone around him, but not him, then I have some ocean front property in Wyoming you might be interested in.

Yes and no.
Yes, members of his team were being investigated and some were under surveillance, especially when they're talking with known Russian agents, ambassadors, etc... AND the intelligence community had strong evidence that Russia hacked the DNC e-mails.

Trump himself has not been under surveillance.  Obama did not order any of this.  My old post was in response to Trump's claim that Obama had him wiretapped.  Obama didn't order it and Trump was not wiretapped.  Members of his campaign were but only in relation to their conversations with Russian officials/agents, which we also monitor.

If you were to call the Russian Ambassador and the US has the Russian Ambassador's calls wiretapped, are you being wiretapped too since you're being recorded as well?


Now, all this we knew and so far, no evidence of actual unlawful doings has been found.  But the investigation is ongoing and that doesn't mean that they unknowingly helped or Russia helped without them knowing. 

Plus we have Republicans on the Intelligence committee going to Trump and briefing him on "secret" information that no one else was told, his business ties with Russian criminals, etc... that, if it were not Trump, you'd be jumping on but we can ignore those since they aren't solid facts or more than just suspicious.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 29, 2017, 05:26:42 PM »
While you guys were discussing Donald Trump's sex life like the pathetic sexual deviants you pretend to hate, one of Obama's former staffers talks about the administrations late push to leak and disseminate the intelligence they had gathered on Trump, before he could get into office and possibly hide it.



I anxiously await the mental Olympics you guys are going to have to perform to somehow not make this an admission of collecting and leaking intelligence on PEOTUS and his team.

1. Old news.

2. You aren't allowed to use MSNCB cause Trump has labeled that Fake News so by your logic, this is fake news.

3. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/02/obama-administration-reportedly-raced-to-preserve-intelligence-on-possible-contact-between-russians-and-trump-associates.html

4. No where does she (or anyone else) say TRUMP HIMSELF was being spyed on, which is the whole point.  We all fucking knew the Trump Camp and Russia were being investigated since July so no mental gymnastics needed.

5. Are you saying that when damning evidence exists, it shouldn't be preserved?  That Obama had nothing to fear that Trump's team might cover up information that would hurt him or his peers?  Cause if that's what you're saying then I have a slew of posts from you about Hillary Clinton's e-mails that I'd LOVE for you to read.



Try again.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 29, 2017, 12:47:13 PM »
Trump to Clintons: NO U
Yeah, saw that.

I was like...
Really?
He wants to play THAT game?  What is he, 5?

Did you see him in the truck? I'm about 75% convinced that Donald Trump found a magical fortune-telling machine..
Yeah.
I think he's just regressing from senielity or something.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 28, 2017, 03:20:18 PM »
Trump to Clintons: NO U
Yeah, saw that.

I was like...
Really?
He wants to play THAT game?  What is he, 5?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 25, 2017, 07:43:47 PM »
Fine fine...

I'm not gonna argue with you.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 25, 2017, 07:23:50 PM »
He absolutely compromises. Why would you say he never compromises?  He did on the travel ban, he did on the healthcare bill, you can go on and on... Look at his actions, not what he says.
But he didn't do it by choice. 
(Also the healthcare bill that got curb stomped?)

His wife's sleeping arrangements?  Totally his choice.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 25, 2017, 06:52:31 PM »
Why "clearly"?  Because reasons?  Powerful men being dominated in the bedroom is a common trope and there is no reason to think that Melania might put a diaper on him, pee on him, then do ball torture.
Because he doesn't compromise.
And given the history of his ex-wives, wants to do what he wants to do.  I mean, just look at how Melinda is not taking the whole first wife thing?  It's pretty clear she didn't want him to run (or win) but he did both.  He's the boss.

That being said, I think she's good at manipulating him to do what she wants, like stay in New York.

So my point is that:
If this was something Trump did not want, he would not have allowed it.  But he either doesn't care or is convinced this is for the best.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 25, 2017, 05:36:04 AM »
If Trump and his wife are not regularly sleeping together that is Trump's choice, not hers.

This statement is almost as dumb and misguided as "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."
I gotta agree with Tom on this one.


Trump is clearly the boss of the family and if he wanted to sleep together, he would not take no for an answer.


It could be he doesn't care either way but thats about it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 24, 2017, 09:07:07 PM »
Apparently the master deal maker can't get a repeal and replace bill passed when he controls both houses of Congress and the Republicans have had seven years to come up with something.


This.
Pure fucking irony.  Like a dog who caught a car, the GOP doesn't know what to do.  So much smoke has been blown up all our asses and now, when they actually have to deliver, they fail.


7 years of wasted time.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 24, 2017, 05:29:36 AM »
Anyway, on the lighter side of Trump news:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/donald-trump-and-first-lady-melania-keep-separate-bedrooms-w473116

Of course it's Us Weekly so who knows if it's really true?  It's plausible; don't you think you'd be miserable if you were Melania?  Would you want to sleep in the same bed as a shriveled old troll like Donald?


Considering she's in NYC 90% of the time, I wouldn't be surprised.  I also wouldn't be surprised if she was just a trophy wife.  I mean, can't imagine Trump has much of a libedo anymore.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 23, 2017, 06:15:43 PM »
"There is more than circumstantial evidence now [of collusion with the Russians]" -- Rep Adam Schiff D-CA, member of the House Intelligence Committee

Not giving MSNBC a view, can you describe the evidence?
Why?  What are you afraid of?


Yeah, heard about that, Totes.
I also heard that the Republican head of the HIC, when he found out, went to Trump first, then held a press conference.

That sounds really fishy.  I mean, he says he's doing his job but if we apply Truth's logic here, then not only is this a setup but he gave Trump detailed information in the hopes that Trump can figure out how to deflect and eliminate it before it becomes public.

But I don't subscribe to that.  Still, he should share that info with his peers.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 23, 2017, 02:01:48 PM »
The issue is when you totally ignore facts or act like suspicion is proof.
(image of pot calling kettle black)

Oh I listened to your "facts" then promptly debunked them.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 22, 2017, 07:35:10 PM »
I feel like you guys must constantly be really bored to continue engaging TTIOH as much as you are.


Don't know about everyone else but I'm just too stupid to stop.

Would you guys rather be engaged or are you trying to setup one of those, what's it called again, safe spaces?
The issue isn't engagement.  We can debate points and opinions.  The issue is when you totally ignore facts or act like suspicion is proof.

And please, don't talk about safe spaces when the other side is just as guilty of being scared little snowflakes.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 22, 2017, 05:27:23 AM »
I feel like you guys must constantly be really bored to continue engaging TTIOH as much as you are.


Don't know about everyone else but I'm just too stupid to stop.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 21, 2017, 08:07:14 PM »
blah blah blah

You are going to be so fucking sad when they finally admit they found no ties to Russia (whatever that is supposed to even mean). Still no evidence to date.
They already did.  In several of his people.  Not Trump himself.  As gary pointed out, it's unlikely Trump actually has ties.  He's far too unstable for Russia to risk talking to him.  Most likely Russia wanted Trump in the whitehouse because it knew that Trump would destabilize America.  Though Trump really does like Putin.  Like, alot.  So... put two and two together there.  All you need is a meeting on a tarmac, right?

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Trumps people were watched, that is a fact. Whether Obama personally ordered it (plausibly deniability, we'll never know) and whether it was in Trump Tower is not the only issue.
Yes, it IS a fact.  Because they had ties to Russia.  (see how that works?)  And absolutely it's about whether it was Obama personally or whether it was in Trump Tower.  That is very literally the issue because that is very literally what Trump said happened!  My god man, don't you even read Trump's own tweets?!

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The Five Eyes is the combined intelligence communities of US, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. One agency can easily ask another to monitor one of their own citizens and then share the information with each other, in a perfectly legal, albeit completely unethical loophole.
Fair enough.
But again, no evidence this happened. Fox News, where that came from, even said they could not verify the judge's story. 


 Trump said it did so the burden of proof is on him and thus far, he's shown nothing.  Why not?  Why isn't he showing what he found out?  Where is his evidence?!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 21, 2017, 06:26:03 PM »
But the accusations were twofold.
1. The FBI wiretapped Trump/Trump Tower.  Neither of these things happened.
2. Obama ordered it.  Also did not happen.

The FBI director has called Trump's accusations unsustainable.  Q.E.Fuck'n D.

Ok, but good thing the FBI Director isn't the one leading the investigation.

1. You don't know that.
2. Still don't know that.

Just because you say something confidently and affirmatively doesn't make it true. You think you'd know that as much as you criticize Trump for doing the same thing.

And since you understand that the US wiretaps all foreign diplomats, is it beyond possibility that one of the "five eyes" is watching our diplomats, perfectly legally, I suppose, and they could be sharing information with our intelligence agencies, which is promptly being leaked by #nevertrumpers?

O.o
He was called to congress to testify on it.
Are you saying he's not investigating the claims that Obama wiretapped Trump but was asked by congress to tell them everything that's been collected?  Are you serious? 

*sigh*

Ok, let me break it down.

Trump said something.
Trump provided no evidence.
Congress said "Hey, that's serious.  Let's investigate.  Trump, give us your evidence."
As of today, Trump has not.
The FBI and Department of Justice has searched and asked and has found no evidence to support Trump's claim.
The FBI director (who is in charge of the department leading the investigation) said they found nothing.

Now, you want a million dollar question?
WHY THE FUCK HASN'T TRUMP RELEASED THE INTEL HE HAS?!


Answer: Because he doesn't have any.  He saw it on either a fox or a Brietbart news segment.  Either way, he has no evidence or he'd have released it by now.


Also:
You do realize that the "five eyes" or whatever ARE the intelligence agency, yes?
Still waiting on the info on the conversations that were leaked.  Who were they with?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 21, 2017, 04:59:45 PM »
https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/842827246410907652

I'll reset the sign.   >:(

It has been [ 0 ] days since our last international embarrassment.

Except, the actual international embarrassment is that we were actually caught doing exactly what he suggested.

Nobody is denying that happened, but for Trump to compare it to his own nonexistent experience of being wiretapped is outrageous, especially when very few people even believe him.

Many people believe him. Very few of your friends do.

Let me ask you this million dollar question: If Trump's team wasn't being wiretapped than how did they record a private conversation of Michael Flynn?

*edit* And knowing that Obama wiretapped his political allies, reporters etc, why do you think it's so improbable that he would do it to his political enemies?

WWWEEELLLLL.....

First off, I haven't heard that they got private conversations but I KNOW they did.
Know why?
Cause they got it from the Russian's end.
See, we monitor all calls TO Russian ambassadors and agents.
And if Michael Flynn happens to be the one calling well... We'd have that.

But the accusations were twofold.
1. The FBI wiretapped Trump/Trump Tower.  Neither of these things happened.
2. Obama ordered it.  Also did not happen.

The FBI director has called Trump's accusations unsustainable.  Q.E.Fuck'n D.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 20, 2017, 10:08:18 PM »
https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/842827246410907652

I'll reset the sign.   >:(

It has been [ 0 ] days since our last international embarrassment.

Except, the actual international embarrassment is that we were actually caught doing exactly what he suggested.

Nobody is denying that happened, but for Trump to compare it to his own nonexistent experience of being wiretapped is outrageous, especially when very few people even believe him.

I saw it as

"Oh god, why is he talking about that?  Doesn't he know we all do that shit?"

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