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Title: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: 789 on January 27, 2017, 04:34:02 AM
A new weather-predicting satellite went into operation not long ego:
https://webslice.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/marvel-at-these-first-pics-from-a-next-gen-weather-satellite/78519/

The two Earth pictures in the article were taken at different times; the Earth moved but the clouds remained the same

The curvature in the Moon shot and the curvature in the full Earth shot; what a difference
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: Elusive Rabbit on January 27, 2017, 11:49:03 AM
I know it is cliché, but these pictures are faked. They simply don't prove anything; they hardly function as evidence; and, frankly, I've seen better texture rendering in POSTAL 2.

The satellite may or may not be real, however.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: andruszkow on January 27, 2017, 02:48:47 PM
I know it is cliché, but these pictures are faked. They simply don't prove anything; they hardly function as evidence; and, frankly, I've seen better texture rendering in POSTAL 2.

The satellite may or may not be real, however.
But of course they are!
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: rabinoz on January 28, 2017, 04:04:47 AM
I know it is cliché, but these pictures are faked. They simply don't prove anything; they hardly function as evidence; and, frankly, I've seen better texture rendering in POSTAL 2.

The satellite may or may not be real, however.
To the close minded no evidence can ever be ever sufficient. In the meantime people in the real world will use the information from all these satellites.

It's your loss, not mine.

And just a thought, maybe your "better texture rendering" looks prettier, but is not true to life. Unaltered satellite photos often look dull and lifeless.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: Elusive Rabbit on January 28, 2017, 04:34:28 AM
To the close minded no evidence can ever be ever sufficient. In the meantime people in the real world will use the information from all these satellites.

It's your loss, not mine.

And just a thought, maybe your "better texture rendering" looks prettier, but is not true to life. Unaltered satellite photos often look dull and lifeless.
I never said these satellites weren't real. I called bluff on the photos, which hardly function as evidence. Even if they were photos of a flat Earth, they should be scrutinized intensely because of how prone photography is to being inauthentic.

They should at least make their altered, designed photos look nicer. My BlackBerry takes better photos, and that is saying something.  ::)
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: Boots on January 28, 2017, 04:40:01 AM
To the close minded no evidence can ever be ever sufficient. In the meantime people in the real world will use the information from all these satellites.

It's your loss, not mine.

And just a thought, maybe your "better texture rendering" looks prettier, but is not true to life. Unaltered satellite photos often look dull and lifeless.
I never said these satellites weren't real. I called bluff on the photos, which hardly function as evidence.

They should at least make their altered, designed photos look nicer. My BlackBerry takes better photos, and that is saying something.  ::)

Well if the photos don't count as evidence how about this:

This has less to do with me understanding why anyone would fake them, and more to do with me understanding that people didn't fake them. I very much doubt that they would try to deceive us by producing and publishing fake photos.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: rabinoz on January 29, 2017, 12:29:26 AM
To the close minded no evidence can ever be ever sufficient. In the meantime people in the real world will use the information from all these satellites.

It's your loss, not mine.

And just a thought, maybe your "better texture rendering" looks prettier, but is not true to life. Unaltered satellite photos often look dull and lifeless.
I never said these satellites weren't real. I called bluff on the photos, which hardly function as evidence. Even if they were photos of a flat Earth, they should be scrutinized intensely because of how prone photography is to being inauthentic.

They should at least make their altered, designed photos look nicer. My BlackBerry takes better photos, and that is saying something.  ::)
The aim is not to make "nicer" photos, but real photos of the earth. Simple unmodified RGB photos of earth do not look all that "colourful".

Just get the message, these satellite photos were never meant to convince a few cynics that the earth is a Globe, they are produced to provide a useful service to those want to use it.

None of these Space Agencies cares in the slightest what you might think. None of what they do is to impress you!
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: Elusive Rabbit on January 29, 2017, 12:57:10 AM
I very much doubt that they would try to deceive us by producing and publishing fake photos.
This is where we differ-- I think that they would try to deceive us!

The aim is not to make "nicer" photos, but real photos of the earth. Simple unmodified RGB photos of earth do not look all that "colourful".

Just get the message, these satellite photos were never meant to convince a few cynics that the earth is a Globe, they are produced to provide a useful service to those want to use it.

None of these Space Agencies cares in the slightest what you might think. None of what they do is to impress you!
I could basically surmise your rebuttal as, "Shut up, you just don't get it! These photos aren't for you, anyway!"

That's a weak rebuttal, rabinoz. C'mon.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: Boots on January 29, 2017, 01:23:12 AM
I very much doubt that they would try to deceive us by producing and publishing fake photos.
This is where we differ-- I think that they would try to deceive us!

My statement was one of your quotes from another thread adapted to this particular topic.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: Elusive Rabbit on January 29, 2017, 01:24:30 AM
My statement was one of your quotes from another thread adapted to this particular topic.
Irrelevant.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: Boots on January 29, 2017, 01:37:44 AM
My statement was one of your quotes from another thread adapted to this particular topic.
Irrelevant.
LOL
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: rabinoz on January 29, 2017, 02:39:45 AM
I very much doubt that they would try to deceive us by producing and publishing fake photos.
This is where we differ-- I think that they would try to deceive us!

The aim is not to make "nicer" photos, but real photos of the earth. Simple unmodified RGB photos of earth do not look all that "colourful".

Just get the message, these satellite photos were never meant to convince a few cynics that the earth is a Globe, they are produced to provide a useful service to those want to use it.

None of these Space Agencies cares in the slightest what you might think. None of what they do is to impress you!
I could basically surmise your rebuttal as, "Shut up, you just don't get it! These photos aren't for you, anyway!"

That's a weak rebuttal, rabinoz. C'mon.
I can't prove to you that photo XYZ is real and I don't know why I should bother.

I didn't say "Shut up, you just don't get it!", but yes "These photos aren't" produced to impress "you, anyway!"
As I stated, they are produced for the assistance of those who need to use them.
I'm no expert on using satellite images, but the RGB channels are just a minor part of what the satellites send back.
The imagers on the Himawari-8 and 9 satellites send back data on 16 wavelengths, ranging from the Blue, Green and Red visible light through near infra-red to quite far infra-red.

If you think that this all is fiction made up to impress the masses, there is not much I can do to change your mind. I'm fully aware of this bit of Flat Earth logic on "the conspiracy"
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    P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
    P2) The Flat Earth is an obvious truth
    P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET
           - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence

    P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it
    P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)
         - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.
Since "The Flat Earth is an obvious truth" and satellite photos are "personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET" therefore satellite photos must be "fabricated evidence".

As I said, there is not point trying to prove something that to you is not provable.

Though my words might mean something to someone not quite so convinced of the truth the flat earth.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: geckothegeek on January 30, 2017, 02:37:53 AM
Let's face it.
Satellites are real
Satellite photos are real
The earth is a globe is real

But flat earthers are going to say everything that is real is a fake. But that's their problem. If they want to live in their own little fantasy world, let's just leave them to it if they just want to (quote) "believe".
But for those of who work in the real world....I am sure some on a 24/7 schedule......We have no problems. We just know and have no doubts about the shape of the earth and how things work because of the shape of the earth. We don't know every thing but enough to make a lot of things work.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: juner on January 30, 2017, 04:37:44 AM
Let's face it.
Satellites are real
Satellite photos are real
The earth is a globe is real

A convincing argument and you provided undeniable evidence...
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: Elusive Rabbit on January 30, 2017, 11:50:11 AM
The Flat Earth is an obvious truth
If only it was. Most people probably won't ever consider the shape of Earth beyond their seventh grade science project.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: andruszkow on January 30, 2017, 03:50:39 PM
The Flat Earth is an obvious truth
If only it was. Most people probably won't ever consider the shape of Earth beyond their seventh grade science project.
But then again, who and what invented a need to?
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: totallackey on January 30, 2017, 05:13:56 PM
These are not pictures.

They are renderings.

Please try to be honest in future posts.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: rabinoz on January 30, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
A new weather-predicting satellite went into operation not long ego:
https://webslice.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/marvel-at-these-first-pics-from-a-next-gen-weather-satellite/78519/

The two Earth pictures in the article were taken at different times; the Earth moved but the clouds remained the same
Excuse me! That satellite is in a "circular geosynchronous orbit". So as the earth moves, the satellite moves through the same angle and keeps facing the same part of the earth.
So, maybe you would like to revise your comments.

Quote from: 789
The curvature in the Moon shot and the curvature in the full Earth shot; what a difference

You say, "The curvature in the Moon shot and the curvature in the full Earth shot; what a difference".
Honestly I fail to see a problem. Look at.
(https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/images/ab_moon_from_geo_orbit_med_res_jan_15_2017.jpg)
The "curve of the earth" is about 42,000 km from the camera and the moon about 427,000 km.
The moon is roughly 10 times the distance, so it will look only about one tenth the size that their diameters would indicate. No problem!
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: 789 on January 30, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
So, maybe you would like to revise your comments.

their diameters would indicate. No problem!

No, I would not; that was one of my points that, contrary to the claim, either the satellite or the Earth moved (or the hand of the guy who painted the picture shook a little). the other point (which you missed) that the clouds in the two pictures are exactly the same.

As for the curvature (of Earth) in the Moon shot and the curvature (of Earth) in the full globus picture: that zoomed right over your head
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: rabinoz on January 31, 2017, 03:22:30 AM
So, maybe you would like to revise your comments.

their diameters would indicate No problem!

No, I would not; that was one of my points that, contrary to the claim, either the satellite or the Earth moved (or the hand of the guy who painted the picture shook a little). the other point (which you missed) that the clouds in the two pictures are exactly the same.

As for the curvature (of Earth) in the Moon shot and the curvature (of Earth) in the full globus picture: that zoomed right over your head
If I missed so many things, maybe you should explain what you mean.
Please show exactly where you think "the satellite or the Earth moved" - give a "blow up" of the bits that you think are "odd".
Just remember that clouds move at only tens of km/hr in normal conditions. Even if the images were taken hours apart there would be little difference.

That is a geostationary satellite and it does not move relative to the earth, end of story.

(https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/images/abi_full_disk_low_res_jan_15_2017.jpg)
Do you mean this image:
GOES-16's Full Disk image from the Advanced Baseline Imager,
at 1:07 p.m. EST, Jan 15, 2017
      (https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/465/32359803111_146c5e2748_b.jpg)
and this image
Full Disk image from the GOES-13 satellite, which was launched in 2006,
and has been serving as the “GOES-East” satellite,
returning imagery of the eastern half of North America,
the Atlantic Ocean and all of South America, ever since.

Those images are taken on different satellites with different cameras, with presumably different focal length lenses.

Please learn a little about photography before criticising little things like size of image.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: geckothegeek on January 31, 2017, 04:59:25 AM
Any set of pictures are going to look diferent because.:
They were taken from different viewpoints
They were taken from different distances
They were taken  by different cameras
They were taken for different results
They were taken for different reasons
And probably zillions of  other differences
But they are all real photos of the same thing-the earth.
I wonder ?   .......Suppose the earth was really flat ? .....Would that reverse the flat earth (Quote) "All photographs are either fakes or paintings" ?
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: 789 on January 31, 2017, 07:23:06 PM


As you may see, the Earth turned.
As you may see, the clouds did not change.

globe one:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/684/32359802361_fe3e84afe2_b.jpg


globe two:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/465/32359803111_146c5e2748_b.jpg


compare curvature of Earth in globe one picture to curvature of Earth in (brown) Moon picture
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/258/32359802911_f7f96ed8c5_o.jpg


Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: rabinoz on January 31, 2017, 07:49:55 PM


As you may see, the Earth turned.
As you may see, the clouds did not change.

globe one:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/684/32359802361_fe3e84afe2_b.jpg

globe two:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/465/32359803111_146c5e2748_b.jpg

compare curvature of Earth in globe one picture to curvature of Earth in (brown) Moon picture
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/258/32359802911_f7f96ed8c5_o.jpg
No, I do not see! The earth did not turn between the photos! They were presumably taken at almost the same time
As I said berore, the photos are from different satellites at different locations! Do I have to spoon-feed every little bit of information to you like a baby?

Read Re: new sattelite & its pictures « Reply #19 on: Today at 03:22:30 AM » (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5701.msg111036#msg111036) again!

Quote from: NOAA, Satellite Information Service
After a series of maneuvers, conducted using the satellite's hydrazine bipropellent thrusters (HBTs), GOES-16 has placed itself in its designated 89.5 degree West longitude checkout location where it will undergo an extended checkout and validation phase of approximately one year.
From NOAA, Satellite Information Service (https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES-R-Launch)

Quote from: Satellite Catalog
Detailed satellite data for GOES 13 74.8°W.
From Detailed satellite data for GOES 13 (http://www.satellite-calculations.com/Satellite/Catalog/catalogID.php?29155)
You are the same as so many other Flat Earthers. If you don't understand something, you declare it a fake!
For pity sake, investigate the problem and learn why YOU can't understand it. Still, this is exactly the reason so many believe that the earth must be flat.
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: 789 on February 02, 2017, 09:51:31 PM

Are you saying that the two photos were taken by two different sattelites, from different locations, at different times; yet the cloud formations are the same
That is worse than the flat-earther ideas about the "blue marble"

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If cannon-balls and sniper bullets have to obey coriolis, why water vapour doesn't

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today is February second, and ground-hogs seem to be just as accurate as million-dollar predicting weather-sattelites
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: Flatout on February 03, 2017, 03:09:05 AM

Are you saying that the two photos were taken by two different sattelites, from different locations, at different times; yet the cloud formations are the same
That is worse than the flat-earther ideas about the "blue marble"

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If cannon-balls and sniper bullets have to obey coriolis, why water vapour doesn't

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today is February second, and ground-hogs seem to be just as accurate as million-dollar predicting weather-sattelites
Those two photos were taken at the same time by two satellites  that are 14.5 degrees apart.   Goes 16 is at 89.5 West Longitude and the older Goes 13 is at 75 West Longitude.  Different satellites, same time, slightly different location. 
Title: Re: new sattelite & its pictures
Post by: rabinoz on February 03, 2017, 03:16:04 AM

Are you saying that the two photos were taken by two different sattelites, from different locations, at different times; yet the cloud formations are the same
That is worse than the flat-earther ideas about the "blue marble"
So "That is worse than the flat-earther ideas about the 'blue marble'" is it, when NASA themselves say
Quote
Enhancements
Blue Marble: Next Generation offers greater spatial detail of the surface and spans a longer data collection period than the original. The original Blue Marble was a composite of four months of MODIS observations with a spatial resolution (level of detail) of 1 square kilometer per pixel.
And you by much detective found that The original Blue Marble was a composite image -  :P :P :P such brilliant detective work.  :P :P :P

No wonder you understand nothing! Where did I say "two different satellites, from different locations, at different times"?

I said "No, I do not see! The earth did not turn between the photos! They were presumably taken at almost the same time

I had not found this reference before, but see
Quote
(https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/images/goes_16_and_goes_13_comparison_from_the_same_day_Jan_15_2017_high_res.jpg)
GOES-16 and GOES-13 Earth Photo Comparison from Jan 15, 2017.
Jan 15, 2017

With five-times greater coverage, four-times the spatial resolution, and three-times the spectral channels than earlier generations of GOES-16's Advanced Baseline Imager can provide more detailed imagery and multi-task in ways that previous GOES imagers could not. For proof of that, consider the following image comparing full-disk images captured by two NOAA satellites -- GOES-16 and GOES-13 -- at the same time on the same day: 1:07 p.m. EST on January 15, 2017.

From NOAA Satellite Information Services, GOES-16 Image Gallery (https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/content/goes-16-image-gallery)
There, has that image got enough detail[1] and is "at the same time on the same day: 1:07 p.m. EST on January 15, 2017" clear enough for even you to understand?

Can't you do internet searches where you live? You could so easliy found this out yourself.

Quote from: 789
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If cannon-balls and sniper bullets have to obey coriolis, why water vapour doesn't
Please explain these facts on the Flat Earth!

Quote from: 789
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today is February second, and ground-hogs seem to be just as accurate as million-dollar predicting weather-sattelites
Who said "million-dollar predicting weather-sattelites(sic)" themselves predict any weather?

Really? I do suspect that even a ground-hog might be able to spell satellites better that 789.


[1] Right click the image and "display in new tab", then click the picture to enlarge it. Then you can fault-find to your little hearts content.