The Flat Earth Society

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Title: بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Post by: 7even on March 25, 2016, 07:16:00 AM
أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

وَلَا تَقْفُ مَا لَيْسَ لَكَ بِهِ عِلْمٌ ۚ إِنَّ السَّمْعَ وَالْبَصَرَ وَالْفُؤَادَ كُلُّ أُولَٰئِكَ كَانَ عَنْهُ مَسْئُولًا (36) وَلَا تَمْشِ فِي الْأَرْضِ مَرَحًا ۖ إِنَّكَ لَن تَخْرِقَ الْأَرْضَ وَلَن تَبْلُغَ الْجِبَالَ طُولًا (37) كُلُّ ذَٰلِكَ كَانَ سَيِّئُهُ عِندَ رَبِّكَ مَكْرُوهًا (38)
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on March 26, 2016, 02:56:18 AM
Hello Mohamad, welcome to the forums. Thank you for posting the information from the Quran relating to the creation of the Earth. I began reading it years ago and found it pretty much identical to the Torah and what Christians call the first Testament of The Holy Bible. It is interesting to me to see others who have come to contemplate flat earth through spiritual means. If you look into the index of this subforum you will see a thread of mine dealing with Intelligent Design and the Flat Earth. It raises the question as to why, among the large portion of society that believes in God, most fully believe in a spherical Earth even though it is incompatible with what religions have taught for thousands of years.

You will find the Flat Earth Society very disinterested in exploring this avenue. They prefer to try to coexist with modern science, eventhough that is about as likely as creationism coexisting with evolution. Many here are very attached to their worldview. My personal stance is that through logic and reason, we can eliminate evolution and the big bang as the cause of our being. The probabilities that time alone somehow organized the 60,000 proteins found in even a single cell organism are astronomical. The third law of thermodynamics states that things are more likely to become more chaotic over time, not achieve any meaningful order. The complexities that define higher forms of life, and the planet Earth itself, in my opinion, show more than enough evidence of intelligent design.
Title: The Qurān & Flat Earth
Post by: hicham9 on April 05, 2016, 08:28:42 PM
Indeed :)

The Qurān explicitly delineates a flat non-rotating Earth.
In fact, the textus confutes Helios-centrism on many occasions !


افلا ينظرون ... الى الارض كيف سطحت
Do they not then look/gaze — at the Earth, how was it flattened ?

The Honourable Qurān is the most misunderstood book in the world.
FE is but one droplet in it, if truth be told.

A diamond in the rough.

Regards


Arabist and Qurānist, among other things.

Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Fatima Issa on April 24, 2016, 08:01:53 PM
Hi everybody,
Recently I have watched the Principle movie; in which you can see a debate about if Earth/human being are Significant or not. While They don't discuss the Earth shape, they focus on its location in the universe. More evidences in the documentry show that Earth is the center. Recommended since Flat & Geocentric are connected (i think so).
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on April 25, 2016, 04:21:43 PM
Hi everybody,
Recently I have watched the Principle movie; in which you can see a debate about if Earth/human being are Significant or not. While They don't discuss the Earth shape, they focus on its location in the universe. More evidences in the documentry show that Earth is the center. Recommended since Flat & Geocentric are connected (i think so).

I do remember watching the trailer for that a while ago. I will check it out, thanks.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: killerking on May 10, 2016, 10:59:04 AM
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(5) He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again?

this ayat means that the day and night are persistant, this ayat is not a proof of globe
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: İntikam on May 10, 2016, 07:50:37 PM
Hello Muhammet,

As a Turk i say you wellcome to forum and Turkey, "hoşgeldin".

First i  must say that i'm sorry for you here, i know you have a war on your country caused by our PM dicdator Erdoghan supporting to terrorism on your country. This is a bit our mistake because we elected him, but be sure we was not know he'll be a dicdator because he were talking good. :)

I know most of your writen because as a muslim i passed on same way.

Actually islamic scholars changed quran by same way that what happened to torah and bible. They can't change the verses but chance it's means (meals), (translations). Their act depends on the idea that "islam don't conflict to science". This is a nonsence. Most of Reverends depends on this idea because quran encourages research and read. But this not mean "change the meaning of the verses fit to science.

When i saw FE's i see that they are really saved what bible say about earth. This is really interesting that islamic Reverends did they give up easily, but i see christian reverends resisted better then islamic reverends. to be the last religion, the last being the book didn't help them. Yes i'm nevertheless still muslim. Because this is not islamic mistake, this mistake caused by some men believed to NASA 1969 lie.

Anyway. I hope you find out the truth.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: saeed on June 27, 2016, 08:38:46 AM
Quran has been changed??????
Are you a Muslim. ... you know nothing about quran and Islam. ... Coz Allahﷻ in Quran says indeed we protect our book ... and if you dont believe it you are a non_Muslim. ....
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: İntikam on June 28, 2016, 09:56:24 AM
Quran has been changed??????
Are you a Muslim. ... you know nothing about quran and Islam. ... Coz Allahﷻ in Quran says indeed we protect our book ... and if you dont believe it you are a non_Muslim. ....

Yeah Alhamdulillah yeah i am a muslim but i'm worried about you are not. What are you talking about man? Do you understand yourself? Do you know what is the real meaning of "believe in the books?"

Allah said on the torah and bible that saves them but after that what's happened?

Can you show me a verse on the quran says the bible is changed? Oppositely says "accept them". Look what is "To believe in the books?". It is to believe that they don't changes. Quran, torah and bible all same. No difference. I mean the translate is constantly changing.

The word of "change" has two meaning but  in our world it is same word. I believe that no one of the books can change but they can change like this. This is not a frenzy or nonsence just i'm using same word that "change" to tell.

Look i'll give you an example to show you how is quran changing while it don't changes.  :)

This is from mulk 67/3 verse. الَّذِي خَلَقَ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ طِبَاقًا مَّا تَرَى فِي خَلْقِ الرَّحْمَنِ مِن تَفَاوُتٍ فَارْجِعِ الْبَصَرَ هَلْ تَرَى مِن فُطُورٍ ﴿٣﴾

Now look the last word as " فُطُورٍ". its speaking in Turkish "futuur". the translation of all scholars are saying about futuur as "break". To see one of them look to http://quran.com/67/3 you see that "futurin" or "futur" translated to "break". Is it real? No.

Copy the "فُطُورٍ" , Translate it from Arabic to English. For do that, you can use google or yandex. Both of them let same result. To see it click here. (https://ceviri.yandex.com.tr/?text=%D9%81%D9%8F%D8%B7%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8D&lang=ar-en) You can listen it. It means "breakfast".

To control it use the opposite translation. Translate "breakfast" to arabic: translated to "futurin". Now translate "break" to arabic, it translates "kesar". The word is not kesar, it is futurin so the true word is "breakfast"

So is it a translate error because in verses it means "break" and in popular arabic it means "breakfast". The words "break" seems like "breakfast" but it has mean completely different. So i look translate it from arabic to turkish. it means kahvaltı (breakfast). Yes we sure that "break" changed to "breakfast" in 1400 years.

The ayath popular translation:

"[And] who created seven heavens in layers. You do not see in the creation of the Most Merciful any inconsistency. So return [your] vision [to the sky]; do you see any breaks?"

Same ayath my translation:

"who created seven heavens in layers. You do not see in the creation of the Most Merciful any inconsistency. So return vision; do you see any breakfast?"

As you see that i don't use parantese because it is not my problem who understand what. And used the breakfast that the real meaning of the word. meany or meanless it is not my problem. For real, we should to do that. It seems like meaningless but this is not my problem, because i translated it word to word.

I gave it you as an example. Books are changing like this. Nobody change God's own words but the books are changing by this way. The time is changing so all of the words getting new meanings, so everything is changing, also the holly books. The time changing is unresistable for everything also the books.


Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Muslim on February 07, 2017, 08:26:24 PM
I have registered just to reply to this as it shows up on Google.

The above is all rubbish.

Firstly, there's no mention in the Quraan that it's FLAT.

A carpet or turf can be laid out on any terrain even if it's arched. It doesn't have to be flat. To compare and say a carpet cannot be laid on a football is just ridiculous and you wouldn't deserve a reply on something so daft.

It's mentioned as a great gift in the verses the fact that the the Earth is spread out so wide that we can live on it. So it looks flat, but it's not and the Quraan does NOT say it is flat.

I have asked scholars, here you have cowboys pretending to be scholars and speaking on behalf of Muslim's beliefs.

We do not believe the Earth is flat.

Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on February 08, 2017, 06:49:03 PM

Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.

Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Muslim on February 09, 2017, 01:47:42 PM

Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.

Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?

I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on February 09, 2017, 02:52:16 PM

Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.

Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?

I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that.

*ahem*

In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on February 09, 2017, 06:57:16 PM

Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.

Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?

I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that.

I'm not trying to spin the burden onto you, I am actually just genuinely curious. I am very familiar with Biblical text but not so with the Quran.

But I do give the OP credit for actually explaining why the verses he highlighted could represent the Earth being flat. You made the claim, without any supporting explanations, that every verse describes the Earth as spherical. You didn't spend a lot of time debating OP's points, so it makes it hard for me to really determine how the Earth is described in the Quran.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Muslim on February 10, 2017, 06:59:13 PM

Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.

Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?

I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that.

*ahem*

In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
And what does that have to do with "I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that." ?
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Muslim on February 10, 2017, 07:03:39 PM
I'm not trying to spin the burden onto you, I am actually just genuinely curious. I am very familiar with Biblical text but not so with the Quran.

But I do give the OP credit for actually explaining why the verses he highlighted could represent the Earth being flat. You made the claim, without any supporting explanations, that every verse describes the Earth as spherical. You didn't spend a lot of time debating OP's points, so it makes it hard for me to really determine how the Earth is described in the Quran.

A very factually wrong statement from you. I didn't make a claim that every verse describes the Earth as spherical. This is a big issue I have with people who do not read text as is and spin their own meanings according to what they think is said.

If you like I can take the OP and debunk it in a very basic manner using nothing but language if there's any genuine interest.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on February 10, 2017, 07:14:40 PM
If you like I can take the OP and debunk it in a very basic manner using nothing but language if there's any genuine interest.

It would only be fair to the OP you are discrediting. And as I said, I don't have any deep knowledge of the Quran, but from what I've studied from the torah and the bible it is very ambiguous as to the shape of the Earth. Nowhere does it definitively describe the Earth as a sphere or a flat plane.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on February 10, 2017, 07:55:40 PM

Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.

Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?

I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that.

*ahem*

In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
And what does that have to do with "I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that." ?

TheTruthIsOnHere's question was a legitimate follow-up to your statement. Your reply, while true, did not answer his question. It was just an evasion/deflection.

My first response was an attempt to point this out, but perhaps I was too subtle. I apologize if the color coding in this comment seems condescending. I decided to be as explicit as possible this time.

A very factually wrong statement from you. I didn't make a claim that every verse describes the Earth as spherical. This is a big issue I have with people who do not read text as is and spin their own meanings according to what they think is said.

Is this the part where you brag about your linguistic superiority for understanding the difference between "describes" and "indicates"? Oh goody, I can't wait...
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TheTruthIsOnHere on February 10, 2017, 08:17:30 PM
Yes a little subtle totes, I glanced over the last quote because I thought it was a signature or something. I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed the obvious claim that he claimed he didn't claim lol

That being said, it is interesting to see this debate not just be something for the Christian and Western world. Disheartening, though, to see some of the same rhetoric and broken logic used.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Muslim on February 11, 2017, 09:29:17 AM
If you like I can take the OP and debunk it in a very basic manner using nothing but language if there's any genuine interest.

It would only be fair to the OP you are discrediting. And as I said, I don't have any deep knowledge of the Quran, but from what I've studied from the torah and the bible it is very ambiguous as to the shape of the Earth. Nowhere does it definitively describe the Earth as a sphere or a flat plane.

@TheTruthIsOnHere Yes sure. Let me type it up briefly

@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Muslim on February 11, 2017, 10:07:56 AM
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They ignore everything regarding Flat Earth quotes which we all know.

- Qur'an 15:19
"And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. "
Spread out does not mean flat. It indicates vast expanse. According to two major commentaries (Jalalyn, Asab an-Nuzul) it doesn't mention like a carpet. One suggests "Spread out over water" hence the mention of mountains like pegs to hold the Earth from swaying beneath us violently. The enormity cannot be ignored at all when it comes to Earth.

Also, what is the need to state "spread out" as an accomplishment? It's only worth a mention when the reality is different to what is perceived.

Conclusion: This verse does not state the Earth is flat nor does it indicate that it's flat in it's entirety. There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat to everyone where in reality it's spread out to appear flat and to a certain extent (radius) it is flat.


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- Qur'an 20:53
"He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others. "

- Qur'an 43:10
(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);

- Qur'an 50:7
And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-

- Qur'an 51:48
And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: How excellently We do spread out!

- Qur'an 71:19
And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)

- Qur'an 78:6
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse

Now you'll see all these verses have the same outcome of the above. None of it states that the Earth if flat completely in its entirety.

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- Qur'an 79:30 [THIS HAS DOUBLE MEANING, Some say Dahaha which is spread out, or stretch, and other say Dahaha the verb from Dahiye, which is ostrich egg, which can mean (as they say) that the Earth is an egg shape, an ostrich egg shape.
But it's obvious in my opinion, that Dahaha belongs to the normal verb, it's not usual to use a verb out of a name, especially in this ostrich egg shape verb.

Ostrich egg is not in any major commentaries. It cannot be taken in any argument.

So again, "spread out"

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Many Islamist apologists attempt to deflect criticism that the Qur'an promotes the mistaken belief of a flat earth by the word dahaha used in Qur'an 79:30, commonly translated as ‘spread’ or ‘stretched’.

This proves that the original poster has done no research and simply copy pasted this from somewhere else who was actually trying to prove that Islam says the Earth is flat. The original poster didn't even bother reading through it to remove this statement from the original articles that he pasted.

And to answer that: "Many" "Muslim Apologists" (not Islamist) do not deflect criticism. The translation is "spread" or "stretched" and none of those describe the entire Earth as flat. And the author even debunked himself in the following which again the OP forgot to remove.

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Most of Qur'an Translators said it's Stretched, which belong to flat earth theory, and not the egg shape, as following:

Qur'an Translations
Yusuf Ali: And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse); [4]
Pickthal: And after that He spread the earth, [4]
Arberry: and the earth-after that He spread it out, [4]
Shakir: And the earth, He expanded it after that. [4]
Sarwar: After this, He spread out the earth, [4]
Hilali/Khan: And after that He spread the earth; [4]
Malik: After that He spread out the earth, [4]
Maulana Ali: And the earth, He cast it after that. [4]
Free Minds: And the land after that He spread out. [4]
Some translations have attempted to translate the word dahaha to mean made egg-shaped or like an ‘ostrich egg’.

Khalifa: He made the earth egg-shaped. [4]
QXP: And after that He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and made it spread out egg-shaped. ('Dahaha' entails all the meanings rendered (21:30), (41:11)). [4]

Transliteration: Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha
Literal: And the earth/Planet Earth after that He blew and stretched/spread it. [4]

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- Qur'an 91:6
By the Earth and its (wide) expanse

This also doesn't suggest flat in its entirety.

To anyone trying to use the Quran to prove it's wrong or that it says the Earth is flat, stop making such pathetic attempts. It's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on February 11, 2017, 05:09:11 PM
@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Muslim on February 12, 2017, 07:07:17 AM
@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
Cheap tricks. Not gonna work. As I said, you're not worth the time. Good day
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on February 12, 2017, 02:18:17 PM
@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
Cheap tricks. Not gonna work. As I said, you're not worth the time. Good day

What on earth are you talking about? What cheap trick? Using colors? I can show you how to use it if you want. Then we will be on an even playing field.


[color=red]red[/color]


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Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Muslim on February 12, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
These are typical cheap tricks. Like I said, it's not gonna work. Good day
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on February 13, 2017, 09:05:21 PM
@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time

Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
These are typical cheap tricks. Like I said, it's not gonna work. Good day

Heh. Denial about going into denial. Denialception. Nice.

(I do appreciate your more in-depth response covering the interpretation of each verse.)
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Xenku on March 18, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
Hi @Muslim ,

I too came across this thread through a Google search and I am curious. With all respect, before I ask my question, I am not saying that you claim or didn't claim something or anything. I would just like to know if you knew of any verses in the Quraan that indicates that the Earth is a sphere?

Thank you

I have registered just to reply to this as it shows up on Google.

The above is all rubbish.

Firstly, there's no mention in the Quraan that it's FLAT.

A carpet or turf can be laid out on any terrain even if it's arched. It doesn't have to be flat. To compare and say a carpet cannot be laid on a football is just ridiculous and you wouldn't deserve a reply on something so daft.

It's mentioned as a great gift in the verses the fact that the the Earth is spread out so wide that we can live on it. So it looks flat, but it's not and the Quraan does NOT say it is flat.

I have asked scholars, here you have cowboys pretending to be scholars and speaking on behalf of Muslim's beliefs.

We do not believe the Earth is flat.

Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: Muslim on April 03, 2017, 08:50:17 AM
Hi @Muslim ,

I too came across this thread through a Google search and I am curious. With all respect, before I ask my question, I am not saying that you claim or didn't claim something or anything. I would just like to know if you knew of any verses in the Quraan that indicates that the Earth is a sphere?

Thank you

I have registered just to reply to this as it shows up on Google.

The above is all rubbish.

Firstly, there's no mention in the Quraan that it's FLAT.

A carpet or turf can be laid out on any terrain even if it's arched. It doesn't have to be flat. To compare and say a carpet cannot be laid on a football is just ridiculous and you wouldn't deserve a reply on something so daft.

It's mentioned as a great gift in the verses the fact that the the Earth is spread out so wide that we can live on it. So it looks flat, but it's not and the Quraan does NOT say it is flat.

I have asked scholars, here you have cowboys pretending to be scholars and speaking on behalf of Muslim's beliefs.

We do not believe the Earth is flat.

Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.

Hi,

From everything I've checked to date, there's nothing specific or direct of a sphere. But the key point here is that it does not in any way say the entire Earth is flat (like a plate or bowl). However, there are many things clearly mentioned in the Qur'aan that was impossible to know more than a hundred years ago.
Title: Re: Islam & Flat Earth
Post by: İntikam on May 19, 2017, 09:03:59 PM
Hello Muhammet,

As a Turk i say you wellcome to forum and Turkey, "hoşgeldin".

First i  must say that i'm sorry for you here, i know you have a war on your country caused by our PM dicdator Erdoghan supporting to terrorism on your country. This is a bit our mistake because we elected him, but be sure we was not know he'll be a dicdator because he were talking good. :)

I know most of your writen because as a muslim i passed on same way.

Actually islamic scholars changed quran by same way that what happened to torah and bible. They can't change the verses but chance it's means (meals), (translations). Their act depends on the idea that "islam don't conflict to science". This is a nonsence. Most of Reverends depends on this idea because quran encourages research and read. But this not mean "change the meaning of the verses fit to science.

When i saw FE's i see that they are really saved what bible say about earth. This is really interesting that islamic Reverends did they give up easily, but i see christian reverends resisted better then islamic reverends. to be the last religion, the last being the book didn't help them. Yes i'm nevertheless still muslim. Because this is not islamic mistake, this mistake caused by some men believed to NASA 1969 lie.

Anyway. I hope you find out the truth.

Thanks kardes, Allah razi olsun.. I agree with everything you said.. you know Allah says:
to be a Mu'min is to believe in Allah, and his angels, and "his books" (books, not only the quran, all of them including bible and others) so in my opinion, some important information we can take from Bible and old testament) and also you know the rest.. to believe in all his massengers and fate the good and bad. all coming from Allah.
I congratulate you and salute you for your knowledge and way of thinking, I would love if we get in contact as well, I sent you my number.. God protects you and bless you <3 Allah korusun <3

I accept your prays but in the other hand, I'm not sharing my personal information; and I don't suggest you do that as follow:

Burası aslında yarı yarıya CIA'nın kontrolünde. Bu konuda bir çok iddia var, bir kısmını ben de dile getirdim. Başka bir forum daha var flatearthsociety.org orası buranın üst forumu gibi, daha kalabalık. Orada da bu iddialar çok sık dile getiriliyor. Şu var ki burada araştırmacıların önüne sürekli engeller çıkartılıyor. Yani yardım etmek bir yana engel çıkartılıyor. Burada CIA tarafından "controlled opposite" dediğimiz uygulama yapılıyor. Yaptığımız çalışmalara göre 30.000.000 düz dünya inananı var ama burada ve diğerini toplasan bir kaç bin yapıyor. Çünkü bunların ne malı olduğunu görenler buraya bir daha uğramıyor. Açık söylemek gerekirse hem burada, hem diğerindeki yöneticiler adi ve karaktersiz insanlar. Burada hiç kimse güvenilir değil. Bu enayiler burada bir kaç on kişiyi kandırarak sanki düz dünya teorisini çökertebileceklerini sanıyorlar. eğer google'da "flat earth" şeklinde aratırsan bir numarada bunların kankası olan flatearthsociet, iki ya da 3 numarada da burası çıkar. İşte bu durum, bunların dünya mafyasının desteğiyle oynadıklarının kanıtıdır. Kısaca CIA kontrolündeler.

Bu yüzden ben ilkesel bir karar aldım ve burada hiç bir şekilde iletişim ya da kişisel bilgilerimi paylaşmıyorum. Bunun senle bir ilgisi yok. Sana da tavsiyem hiç bir şekilde şahsi bilgilerini paylaşmaman. Ben şimdi senden gelen maili siliyorum. Sen de aynısını yap ama gene de adminler ulaşabilir. Bunları böyle admin, mod diye ayırmamak lazım. Hepsi aynı CIA'nın, farklı algı operasyonunda görevlileri. Türkiye'de yakında bir "dernek" ya da parti kurma çalışması düşünüyorum. O şekilde, onun üzerinden görüşürüz. Kendine iyi bak.
Eyvallah.

God bless you.
Title: Re: بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Post by: TimeWillTell on February 20, 2018, 08:59:45 PM
Hi everyone,

Very interesting topic which I'd like to add to it if this topic is still open.

Based on my research of the noble Qur'an, nowhere does it specifically say the Earth is flat or round but by reading the different verses and if you only had 2 options round or flat, flat seems to be the one that lines up more with the holy scripture.

On top of that, the Qur'an specifically mentions the Earth being immovable (mountains in it like pegs holding it down).

It also clearly states that the sun orbits above the Earth and not the other way around.

I welcome all discussions and let's keep it civil