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Re: Circumnavigation: Traveling in a Straight Line
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2017, 05:20:17 AM »
You are the one presenting the FE model as reality. I find it a bit odd that you ask us to do your work for you, when you expect the opposite of us when presented with RE information. When we present something from RE, you always ask for our supporting sources, and often many. But when we ask precisely what your sources are (Even just the book/issue would suffice) you clam up and wave vaguely at your library. As though rather than discussing things as equals, you believe we are students come to take your class.

I don't recall making a claim for the diameter of the bi-polar model. I don't believe it is my burden for providing that.

Re: Circumnavigation: Traveling in a Straight Line
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2017, 05:34:52 AM »
You are the one presenting the FE model as reality. I find it a bit odd that you ask us to do your work for you, when you expect the opposite of us when presented with RE information. When we present something from RE, you always ask for our supporting sources, and often many. But when we ask precisely what your sources are (Even just the book/issue would suffice) you clam up and wave vaguely at your library. As though rather than discussing things as equals, you believe we are students come to take your class.

I don't recall making a claim for the diameter of the bi-polar model. I don't believe it is my burden for providing that.
It's your model (your preferred one at that) and you're the one defending it. If you don't know, say so. Say "I don't know the diameter, and I haven't read all of the resources I'm telling you to, so I don't know if they did either" instead of brushing it off. If I don't know something and can't find it, I'm more than happy to admit I don't know and hope someone who does can step in. You obfuscate and throw up an air that is reminiscent of superiority because you know the answer but don't care to provide it. You can't say in one breath "We've put them up there for a wonderful resource go read them" and in the next "Oh I've no idea whats in them, never read them myself" which you are oh so close, but not quite doing here. If you don't know any of the basic facts or information about the model you prefer, then how can you prefer it? Because it looks prettier?
FET - A few old books making claims and telling you how things must be based on the words contained therein. This sounds familiar....

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Re: Circumnavigation: Traveling in a Straight Line
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2017, 07:04:11 AM »
It's your model (your preferred one at that) and you're the one defending it. If you don't know, say so. Say "I don't know the diameter, and I haven't read all of the resources I'm telling you to, so I don't know if they did either" instead of brushing it off. If I don't know something and can't find it, I'm more than happy to admit I don't know and hope someone who does can step in. You obfuscate and throw up an air that is reminiscent of superiority because you know the answer but don't care to provide it. You can't say in one breath "We've put them up there for a wonderful resource go read them" and in the next "Oh I've no idea whats in them, never read them myself" which you are oh so close, but not quite doing here. If you don't know any of the basic facts or information about the model you prefer, then how can you prefer it? Because it looks prettier?

I don't expect you to back up claims you have never made. I only challenge on the claims given. I expect the same respect.

I do not have this information. If you wish to research this topic I have directed you to the source. That is all I have to say on the matter.

Re: Circumnavigation: Traveling in a Straight Line
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2017, 08:37:31 AM »
It's your model (your preferred one at that) and you're the one defending it. If you don't know, say so. Say "I don't know the diameter, and I haven't read all of the resources I'm telling you to, so I don't know if they did either" instead of brushing it off. If I don't know something and can't find it, I'm more than happy to admit I don't know and hope someone who does can step in. You obfuscate and throw up an air that is reminiscent of superiority because you know the answer but don't care to provide it. You can't say in one breath "We've put them up there for a wonderful resource go read them" and in the next "Oh I've no idea whats in them, never read them myself" which you are oh so close, but not quite doing here. If you don't know any of the basic facts or information about the model you prefer, then how can you prefer it? Because it looks prettier?

I don't expect you to back up claims you have never made. I only challenge on the claims given. I expect the same respect.

I do not have this information. If you wish to research this topic I have directed you to the source. That is all I have to say on the matter.
You have no current source.

Re: Circumnavigation: Traveling in a Straight Line
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2017, 12:48:07 PM »
It's your model (your preferred one at that) and you're the one defending it. If you don't know, say so. Say "I don't know the diameter, and I haven't read all of the resources I'm telling you to, so I don't know if they did either" instead of brushing it off. If I don't know something and can't find it, I'm more than happy to admit I don't know and hope someone who does can step in. You obfuscate and throw up an air that is reminiscent of superiority because you know the answer but don't care to provide it. You can't say in one breath "We've put them up there for a wonderful resource go read them" and in the next "Oh I've no idea whats in them, never read them myself" which you are oh so close, but not quite doing here. If you don't know any of the basic facts or information about the model you prefer, then how can you prefer it? Because it looks prettier?

I don't expect you to back up claims you have never made. I only challenge on the claims given. I expect the same respect.

I do not have this information. If you wish to research this topic I have directed you to the source. That is all I have to say on the matter.
You have no current source.
It's worse than that (imo), he doesn't even know if the source he's directing us to has the answer to the question. Which suggests he's never actually read it.

Serious question then for you Tom. Why do you prefer the bi-polar model? What lines up with that one that makes you prefer it's idea over the mono-pole one?
FET - A few old books making claims and telling you how things must be based on the words contained therein. This sounds familiar....

The triangle doesn't work

Re: Circumnavigation: Traveling in a Straight Line
« Reply #25 on: Today at 12:28:17 AM »
Tom Bishop -

That's a bit rude.  If you asked me a question , I would answer if I knew the answer and give it to you. If I didn't have it handy, I would look it up and send you the answer. These are flat earth questions for flat earthers to give flat earth answers.

For example, on another thread , you said "The distance from New York to Paris is unknown."  I looked it up. The distance from NewYork to Paris is 3,625 miles.

You are giving the Flat Earth Society a bad name. If you don't know the answer, just be honest and say so !

I would be glad to give you some real answers to some real questions.
For Example : The circumference of the earth at the equator  is approximately 25,000 miles.

And if 1000 people were asking you the same questions over and over and over you would probably eventually publish your work and direct any and all inquiries to it. That is what we did, over 100 years ago.

It's funny, you'd almost think these ardent adherents to FET would have these answers ready to point out to all skeptics. I read the Wiki and it is full of very obvious errors and omissions. Nothing new in the last 100 years, but real science keeps marching on as we learn new things about the universe. Anyone that believes this stuff when it is so very easily falsifiable is beyond help. FET doesn't even have a map of their flat Earth. I mean c'mon, at least come up with a freaking map!