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Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #80 on: July 06, 2017, 02:21:59 PM »
Could you please stop linking to some other website in lieu of arguing your points yourself? We're debating you, not the author of those posts.
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« Reply #81 on: July 06, 2017, 02:22:34 PM »
DNA is just matter

... follow the science Gost ..
apply the intelligence to whomsoever you will ... sorry, but mindless undirected random chance need not apply



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You have misunderstood evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected.
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Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #82 on: July 06, 2017, 03:16:20 PM »
Could you please stop linking to some other website in lieu of arguing your points yourself?
We're debating you, not the author of those posts.

lol ... aww ya killn me :) ... please don't hate me cause I'm informative :(

We're debating you < bring it on Bitch

evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected < so you admit there is intelligence involved ?
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« Reply #83 on: July 06, 2017, 03:36:22 PM »

evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected < so you admit there is intelligence involved ?

Why would you think that?  All I admitted was that evolution is neither random nor undirected.  You shouldn't put words in people's mouths. 

Like any reasonable person, I do not claim to know for sure if there is a higher power at work in the universe.  I can tell you a couple of things about the idea though: it is not necessary for evolution, it is not a testable scientific theory. 
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Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #84 on: July 06, 2017, 03:43:32 PM »
I do not claim to know for sure if there is a higher power at work in the universe

follow the science

evolution, it is not a testable scientific theory

thank you very much
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Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #85 on: July 06, 2017, 03:46:11 PM »
Could you please stop linking to some other website in lieu of arguing your points yourself?
We're debating you, not the author of those posts.

lol ... aww ya killn me :) ... please don't hate me cause I'm informative :(

We're debating you < bring it on Bitch

evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected < so you admit there is intelligence involved ?

Evolution is as directed and organised as the Mississippi River. Environmental pressures drive both the survival of organisms and the flow of water through the riverbed.

Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #86 on: July 06, 2017, 03:52:53 PM »
Evolution is as directed and organised as the Mississippi River

some one please show this man the difference between (Earth driven) patterns and the complexity of DNA code (stored information) .... Gost you're not even in the ballpark

.. keep trying though

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Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #87 on: July 06, 2017, 04:24:04 PM »
Evolution is as directed and organised as the Mississippi River

some one please show this man the difference between (Earth driven) patterns and the complexity of DNA code (stored information) .... Gost you're not even in the ballpark

.. keep trying though

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Evolution (and by such DNA) is, by your definition, an earth driven pattern.

Evolution states that genes that benefit survival are passed on simply because they survive.  Thus, nature driven pattern:
If you live, you have kids.  If Gene X helps you live, your kids have Gene X.  They have better chance of living.  Pass until all the weak genes are weeded out or Gene X is very strong.

Repeat until species is extinct.

Also remember: Evolution is not ambiogenesis.

Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #88 on: July 06, 2017, 05:39:24 PM »
Evolution (and by such DNA) is, by your definition, an earth driven pattern < um, no .... not at all

dirt and water are matter alone .... does dirt or water (earth driven patterns) have the ability to reproduce itself ?? .... Y/N

Just as the Gettysburg address was written with ink and paper (matter alone) YOU have to explain how the letters / symbols
were able to ARRANGE and PLACE themselves in order to deliver an intelligent concept / communication (write-read / speak-listen)
 .... non-intelligence delivering intelligence ?? < you explain
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Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #89 on: July 06, 2017, 05:50:51 PM »

evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected < so you admit there is intelligence involved ?

Why would you think that?  All I admitted was that evolution is neither random nor undirected.  You shouldn't put words in people's mouths.

I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???
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« Reply #90 on: July 06, 2017, 05:53:22 PM »
I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???

something or someONE directing it ??? ??? < you got me

All I admitted was that evolution is neither random nor undirected.  You shouldn't put words in people's mouths.
You have misunderstood evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected

your exact quote
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« Reply #91 on: July 06, 2017, 06:16:17 PM »
Evolution (and by such DNA) is, by your definition, an earth driven pattern < um, no .... not at all

dirt and water are matter alone .... does dirt or water (earth driven patterns) have the ability to reproduce itself ?? .... Y/N
DNA does not have the ability to reproduce itself.  Not sure why that's a criteria. 

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Just as the Gettysburg address was written with ink and paper (matter alone) YOU have to explain how the letters / symbols
were able to ARRANGE and PLACE themselves in order to deliver an intelligent concept / communication (write-read / speak-listen)
 .... non-intelligence delivering intelligence ?? < you explain
What makes it intelligent?  That YOU can read it?  What about someone who can't read it?  Someone who looks at it as just a bunch of lines and cruves on a piece of paper?  Is it still intelligent?

If you do not understand the message, how do you know it's a message at all?


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« Reply #92 on: July 06, 2017, 06:27:27 PM »
DNA does not have the ability to reproduce itself

um, yeah, it kinda does ... the DNA INSTRUCTS / DIRECTS the (living) cell how to operate / maintain / repair and duplicate itself

go get some education concerning the complexity of DNA and its biological s e q u e n c e ... we might continue the conversation ... later dude :)






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« Reply #93 on: July 06, 2017, 07:24:30 PM »
I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???

The evolutionary process has forces directing it.  What gave you the impression I thought otherwise?

All I admitted was that evolution is neither random nor undirected.  You shouldn't put words in people's mouths.
You have misunderstood evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected

your exact quote

Yeah, exactly.  I never mentioned intelligence being involved, yet you pounced on me as if I had.  Maybe you are having trouble understanding me?
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Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #94 on: July 06, 2017, 08:09:27 PM »
DNA does not have the ability to reproduce itself

um, yeah, it kinda does ... the DNA INSTRUCTS / DIRECTS the (living) cell how to operate / maintain / repair and duplicate itself

go get some education concerning the complexity of DNA and its biological s e q u e n c e ... we might continue the conversation ... later dude :)
I bolded the relevant part for ya.
DNA does not replicate itself anymore than a blueprint of a building copies itself.  You said yourself, DNA tells something else how to make more DNA.  It can not self replicate.  Put DNA in a petri dish with nutrients and it won't do anything. 

And if you want to claim it does because something else is the builder following the blueprint then I will submit that a single celled organism with no intelligence is identical to a human reading a blueprint of a building when it comes to replication.  In which case, intelligence is not required.  A single cell can't think.  It can't read intelligently.  All it can do is follow chemistry and physics.  The arrangement of atoms and matter as they interact with molecules.

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Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #95 on: July 06, 2017, 08:40:25 PM »
I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???

The evolutionary process has forces directing it.  What gave you the impression I thought otherwise?

I'm still confused. You're saying these forces act with intent, yet are not intelligent? Can you explain how that works exactly?

Actually the word "random" implies lack of intent. Which means that something that isn't random does have intent behind it. How does that work without intelligence being involved?
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Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #96 on: July 06, 2017, 08:45:14 PM »
I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???

The evolutionary process has forces directing it.  What gave you the impression I thought otherwise?

I'm still confused. You're saying these forces act with intent, yet are not intelligent? Can you explain how that works exactly?
Wouldn't instinct be an intent without intelligence?

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« Reply #97 on: July 06, 2017, 08:47:42 PM »
I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???

The evolutionary process has forces directing it.  What gave you the impression I thought otherwise?

I'm still confused. You're saying these forces act with intent, yet are not intelligent? Can you explain how that works exactly?
Wouldn't instinct be an intent without intelligence?

No.
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« Reply #98 on: July 07, 2017, 03:22:31 AM »

I'm still confused. You're saying these forces act with intent, yet are not intelligent? Can you explain how that works exactly?

No that is not what I am saying.

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Actually the word "random" implies lack of intent. Which means that something that isn't random does have intent behind it. How does that work without intelligence being involved?

The word random does not imply intent, it implies a lack of predictability, at least in the context I am using it.
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Re: No Religion= Peace
« Reply #99 on: July 08, 2017, 09:32:48 PM »


You  ask the question;

Evolution (and by such DNA) is, by your definition, an earth driven pattern < um, no .... not at all

dirt and water are matter alone .... does dirt or water (earth driven patterns) have the ability to reproduce itself ?? .... Y/N


Well, Yes.

Crystals do just that, and clay in particular is able to seed itself by wind born dust to suitable areas for regrowth. Clays are also interesting in the way they can catalyse proto-organic molecules providing a structure where they can replicate.

The study of montmorillonite clay, by Martin Hanczyc, Shelly Fujikawa and Jack Szostak at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, revealed it can sharply accelerate the formation of membranous fluid-filled sacs.
 
These vesicles also grow and undergo a simple form of division, giving them the properties of primitive cells. Previous work has shown that the same simple mineral can help assemble the genetic material RNA from simpler chemicals. “Interestingly, the clay also gets internalised in the vesicles,” says Leslie Orgel, an origin of life expert at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in San Diego, California. “So this work is quite nice in that it finds a connection between the mechanism that creates RNA and encloses it in a membrane.” (New Scientist 23rd October 2003)

The clay would act as a surrogate “cell”, as RNA like molecules have been created spontaneously in conditions that probably existed on the primordial earth, it is conceivable that this may have been the way life started, randomly and without intelligence.
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