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Flat Earth Theory / Eclipse
« on: August 31, 2017, 04:40:35 AM »
OK - the eclipse was not seen everywhere on the globe - because the Earth is round. *surprise* Now, we have the refutation that electromagnetic accelation is distorting light so that this is possible. However, where is the mathematical evidence/scientific trials that have proven that this exists? I want a direct answer - not one that asks Round Earther's for proof of how the Earth is round, but a post directed at the proof.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Distance debate based on poll results
« on: August 31, 2017, 04:38:29 AM »
Agreed. We pretty much have one guy here that is merely focusing on mistakes in one's grammar, or picks out one word mistakes. Also, where is the scientific method backing up all the pretty claims made by the Flat Earth Society? Here's proof GPS works. (down below) Ensure you read the whole thing. Next. Scott Kelley, who went into space, has proved that he came home 25 milliseconds younger than his twin brother. ALong with this evidence, the scientific community has largely accepted the fact that space-time exists, and matter creates the effect of gravity, meaning matter coalesces into spheres, naturally, and the Earth cannot be flat. Oh, and we have the Davis relativity model. Where are the experiments at CERN that prove this exists? Where is the scientific community with millions of members, who have agreed upon the fact that the Earth is "flat"?

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a network of about 30 satellites orbiting the Earth at an altitude of 20,000 km. The system was originally developed by the US government for military navigation but now anyone with a GPS device, be it a SatNav, mobile phone or handheld GPS unit, can receive the radio signals that the satellites broadcast.

Wherever you are on the planet, at least four GPS satellites are ‘visible’ at any time. Each one transmits information about its position and the current time at regular intervals. These signals, travelling at the speed of light, are intercepted by your GPS receiver, which calculates how far away each satellite is based on how long it took for the messages to arrive.

Once it has information on how far away at least three satellites are, your GPS receiver can pinpoint your location using a process called trilateration.

Trilateration


Imagine you are standing somewhere on Earth with three satellites in the sky above you. If you know how far away you are from satellite A, then you know you must be located somewhere on the red circle. If you do the same for satellites B and C, you can work out your location by seeing where the three circles intersect. This is just what your GPS receiver does, although it uses overlapping spheres rather than circles.

The more satellites there are above the horizon the more accurately your GPS unit can determine where you are.

GPS and Relativity


GPS satellites have atomic clocks on board to keep accurate time. General and Special Relativity however predict that differences will appear between these clocks and an identical clock on Earth.

General Relativity predicts that time will appear to run slower under stronger gravitational pull – the clocks on board the satellites will therefore seem to run faster than a clock on Earth.

Furthermore, Special Relativity predicts that because the satellites’ clocks are moving relative to a clock on Earth, they will appear to run slower.

The whole GPS network has to make allowances for these effects –  proof that Relativity has a real impact.

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Flat Earth Theory / Circumnavigation of Earth through poles
« on: August 27, 2017, 11:41:20 PM »
How is it possible to circumnavigate the Earth longitudinally? I want to ask the question that if we go from the North Pole to the South Pole, how come we don't just fall off the Earth? Please read this link - it shows that a person actually did this once. I still want to reiterate the question of why the Earth bulges at the equator. By understanding seismic activities, and how the waves travel through the Earth, we can see that the Earth has a horizontal radius that is 26.58 miles longer than the vertical radius. Why? In the 17th century, following the invention of the pendulum clock, French scientists found that clocks sent to French Guiana, on the northern coast of South America, ran slower than their exact counterparts in Paris. Measurements of the acceleration due to gravity at the equator must also take into account the planet's rotation. Any object that is stationary with respect to the surface of the Earth is actually following a circular trajectory, circumnavigating the Earth's axis. Pulling an object into such a circular trajectory requires a force. The acceleration that is required to circumnavigate the Earth's axis along the equator at one revolution per sidereal day is 0.0339 m/s². Providing this acceleration decreases the effective gravitational acceleration. At the equator, the effective gravitational acceleration is 9.7805 m/s2. This means that the true gravitational acceleration at the equator must be 9.8144 m/s2. This difference in acceleration is massive, all because of Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation, which, according to the law, shows that the Earth must be round because all mass is attracted toward's one another.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
« on: July 06, 2017, 12:09:51 AM »
Agreed with Galileo's quote. Also, I don't know whether I mentioned this before, but I'll say it again. It has been proven by scientists that it is possible to create a 90 degree equilateral triangle on the surface of the Earth - something not possible with a flat earth.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity...
« on: June 15, 2017, 09:36:47 PM »
So, no flat Earther can give me hard, scientific evidence, or reasonable logic, ASIDE FROM RELIGION, which can refute the fact of differences in gravity around the world. Again, I do not want some unique answer saying god pushes down on objects with different force. So, the fact that no flat earther can disprove this simply puts into proposition that the Earth is round, as of now.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity...
« on: June 09, 2017, 02:00:33 AM »
Thanks 3DGeek for adding on. Out of curiosity, I want to see if any Flat Earther can refute my contention with not just a no, because god said so refutation. Refute it with actual evidence and logic.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity...
« on: June 08, 2017, 05:49:12 AM »
Now this goes into a little bit more logic, and can be backed up by past numbers. The Flat Earth Society has had little to no mathematical proof whatsoever which can show any scientist, when reproducing the experiment, that the Earth is round! For example, an equilateral triangle with 90 degree angles simply cannot be reproduced on a flat earth. However, using lasers, this is possible to conduct. When physics is brought up, FE's just say oh boohoo your taking that stance on the assumption that the Earth is round. Then if this logic is right, then that can be said of the other way around - the only problem is, the FE theory has NO PHYSICS PROOF WHATSOEVER!!! Gravity can be seen in outer space due to light warping around black holes. Seeing that the same materials that are being affected by this force, then we can also logically assume that Earth's materials, (basalt, limestone, etc.), are subjugated to the same forces which govern the bodies of the universe. If anybody has anything to support this thought, please voice it out.


Have you personally witnessed light bending around a black hole?

And even if you have or take the word of people paid handsomely to come up with this  you are just 'assuming' the same must be true to some extent on Earth.

Nice try. I give you a 3/10 for effort
This is what somebody stated in refutation to my statement on gravity. If you can't trust others, then what science are you supposed to believe? There is no person on this world who is good at everything, and at some point, you are going to have to trust the experts. Are you saying that there are people who devote their whole life to science, and they do it for money? It has proven time and time again that a lust for money always ends up in corruption, and never has the world seen such devout dedication to a subject just for money.
General relativity accounts for the anomalous perihelion precession of Mercury.[15]
The prediction that time runs slower at lower potentials (gravitational time dilation) has been confirmed by the Pound–Rebka experiment (1959), the Hafele–Keating experiment, and the GPS.
The prediction of the deflection of light was first confirmed by Arthur Stanley Eddington from his observations during the Solar eclipse of 29 May 1919.[16][17] Eddington measured starlight deflections twice those predicted by Newtonian corpuscular theory, in accordance with the predictions of general relativity. However, his interpretation of the results was later disputed.[18] More recent tests using radio interferometric measurements of quasars passing behind the Sun have more accurately and consistently confirmed the deflection of light to the degree predicted by general relativity.[19] See also gravitational lens.
The time delay of light passing close to a massive object was first identified by Irwin I. Shapiro in 1964 in interplanetary spacecraft signals.
Gravitational radiation has been indirectly confirmed through studies of binary pulsars. On 11 February 2016, the LIGO and Virgo collaborations announced the first observation of a gravitational wave.
Alexander Friedmann in 1922 found that Einstein equations have non-stationary solutions (even in the presence of the cosmological constant). In 1927 Georges Lemaître showed that static solutions of the Einstein equations, which are possible in the presence of the cosmological constant, are unstable, and therefore the static Universe envisioned by Einstein could not exist. Later, in 1931, Einstein himself agreed with the results of Friedmann and Lemaître. Thus general relativity predicted that the Universe had to be non-static—it had to either expand or contract. The expansion of the Universe discovered by Edwin Hubble in 1929 confirmed this prediction.[20]
The theory's prediction of frame dragging was consistent with the recent Gravity Probe B results.[21]
General relativity predicts that light should lose its energy when traveling away from massive bodies through gravitational redshift. This was verified on earth and in the solar system around 1960.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity...
« on: June 08, 2017, 05:45:01 AM »
Relating back to the South Pole post, that flight was directly across the geographic south pole and the magnetic south pole. (He went from one end of Antartica to the other end). Based on later measurements, and when compared to that of a Flat earth, this is completely inconsistent, because on a Flat Earth, he would've needed to travel halfway across the circumference of the Earth, while on a Round Earth, it requires only a small distance to move from one edge to another.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity...
« on: June 07, 2017, 04:04:41 AM »
American explorer Richard Byrd and three companions make the first flight over the South Pole, flying from their base on the Ross Ice Shelf to the pole and back in 18 hours and 41 minutes. I wanted to add this in to the first post. If somebody is going to refute the round earth theory, please refute literally every concept I've put out there.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Several Hundred Years of Mathematical Proof
« on: June 07, 2017, 03:59:29 AM »
Also, in refutation to the second point, this proves the entire fallacy of the flat earth's. All they do is base their thesis that the Earth is round, because they see it as round. The top of the Golden Gate Bridge is almost two inches wider at the top than the base because of the curvature of the Earth, but clearly, this is no change. (Based off a measurement using lasers me and my friend did. He figured out the logistics of it, and it pretty much concurred with this conclusion.)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Several Hundred Years of Mathematical Proof
« on: June 07, 2017, 03:55:46 AM »
Then describe your reasoning why gravity is a load of bullshit. What university did you graduate from?

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Flat Earth Theory / Gravity...
« on: June 07, 2017, 12:15:32 AM »
I also want to talk about the difference of the gravitational force around the world. It is known by scientists that different parts of the world have a greater force pulling on objects, proved by hundreds of scientific experiments by sensors. Now, this is because of the fact that different parts of the crust have different densities and masses, meaning that, for example, continents produce a slightly stronger gravitational force due to denser material, while the ocean is composed of basalt, a less dense rock. This is proven by the theory that all masses have gravity pulling in on them. (Somebody can word that better, but you get my point) This is simply not possible with the FE theory, because in that theory, the Earth is moving upward at 9.8 meters per second, and disregards the fact that all masses produce gravity. However, relating back to aforementioned differences in gravity, this would simply not be possible on a flat earth. This would only be possible if different parts to the Earth was moving faster than other parts, meaning that we would have a world that splits apart, which is simply not the case.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Several Hundred Years of Mathematical Proof
« on: June 07, 2017, 12:11:58 AM »
Please get your mind together. I am simply disproving the fact that the Earth is round, and that it is impossible to be flat. I want to talk with people who have minimum of a Master's degree Astrophysics, preferably, a Phd. Unless there are educated people out there who can back up their claims with real science, I would suggests that anyone else not reply to this post.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Several Hundred Years of Mathematical Proof
« on: June 06, 2017, 03:44:58 AM »
Also, what about the constellations, and how they are different around the world? (at 1.5 degrees south, Polaris is not visible.) However, on a flat earth, constellations would be visible everywhere.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjo2rb-pqjUAhXl7YMKHYJbC3oQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2F

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Several Hundred Years of Mathematical Proof
« on: June 06, 2017, 03:41:32 AM »
You haven't even read the whole thing! What about the experience that I have put up? I don't want to see answers that don't have any mathematical proof behind them. Look through the internet for physics proving the earth is round. If you can, show me some kind of physical proof showing the earth is flat! For example, for the round earth theory, the ship theory, how the mast of the ship appears first.

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Flat Earth Theory / Several Hundred Years of Mathematical Proof
« on: June 06, 2017, 02:38:02 AM »
Now this goes into a little bit more logic, and can be backed up by past numbers. The Flat Earth Society has had little to no mathematical proof whatsoever which can show any scientist, when reproducing the experiment, that the Earth is round! For example, an equilateral triangle with 90 degree angles simply cannot be reproduced on a flat earth. However, using lasers, this is possible to conduct. When physics is brought up, FE's just say oh boohoo your taking that stance on the assumption that the Earth is round. Then if this logic is right, then that can be said of the other way around - the only problem is, the FE theory has NO PHYSICS PROOF WHATSOEVER!!! Gravity can be seen in outer space due to light warping around black holes. Seeing that the same materials that are being affected by this force, then we can also logically assume that Earth's materials, (basalt, limestone, etc.), are subjugated to the same forces which govern the bodies of the universe. If anybody has anything to support this thought, please voice it out.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Looking at different planets...
« on: May 25, 2017, 11:17:37 PM »
The shadow of the earth, when cast on the moon during a lunar eclipse, is round. This was known in ancient times. But note that lunar eclipses do not always happen when the moon is in the same position in the sky. If the earth were flat, the earth’s shadow would not have the same shape when the moon is directly overhead as it would when the moon is closer to the horizon. Since it is possible to observe multiple full and partial lunar eclipses during an average lifetime, this would not have been lost on any observant person, even in the distant past (note that this is assuming one model of a flat earth, the one where the sun and moon cross under the earth as they travel back to the east). Also, if the sun and moon were orbiting overhead, as in some recent flat earth models, then how could the earth ever get in between them to cast a shadow in the first place?

The moon’s phases are also proof that it’s orbiting a global earth. In real life, at any given part of the moon’s cycle, all people on earth see the same phase, and the moon is always about the same size. This makes sense if it were orbiting the globe from a distance far greater than the earth’s diameter. If it and the sun were always orbiting above a flat earth, as per a recent flat earth scenario, then they would both change size drastically, and people in different areas would see different moon phases. Someone looking toward the moon would be presented with a different view than someone looking at it from the other end of the earth.

Instead, a person with a telescope can actually watch the shadow creep across the moon’s surface and someone on the other side of the earth can then pick up watching the shadow creep when the moon drops below the horizon of the first person. There are human eyeballs all over this globe of ours, and the progress of the moon (and sun) represents a continuum.

Also, by watching the shadows creep across the craters and plains of the moon, it is clear that the moon is a sphere. Also, the crescent and gibbous phases, which have curved boundaries, are possibly only on a spherical moon, not a disk.

And we can watch sunspots migrate across the face of the sun and they behave as if they are moving across a spherical surface. There is also the phenomenon of limb darkening, where the sun (and other stars) appear darker and redder towards the outside, which proves a spherical sun, not a flat disk. We have overwhelming evidence that the other bodies in the solar system are spherical. And we have overwhelming evidence that the earth is also a sphere.

Note also, if the moon and sun were flat disks, then their apparent shape would become more elliptical as they moved lower in the sky. The fact that a full moon and sun always look circular from any angle shows that they are spheres, not disks.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Looking at different planets...
« on: May 25, 2017, 11:11:40 PM »
Also a little more. What about the fact that there are different constellations in different parts of the planet at the same time? Yes I read a thread about some bs like electromagnetic acceleration, which has no mathematical proof whatsoever, so that should not be taken into consideration.

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Flat Earth Theory / Looking at different planets...
« on: May 25, 2017, 11:08:43 PM »
I think this can be self proven. Look through telescope, and focus it on a certain planet. Look at it another day, and you can see it has rotated, just like a sphere. This is because of the fact that all mass has gravity, proven by Newton's law of universal gravitation. Therefore, can we not deduce that Earth would also be round?

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