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Flat Earth Theory / Australia to South America takes 15 hrs?

« on: November 20, 2017, 10:22:28 PM »

On a flat earth the US would have to be roughly a third of the distance between those two points at 15 hrs duration as going across the US takes 5hrs. 5/15 = 1/3....

I'm heartbroken. I was beginning to fall in love with this theory. Please someone tell the internet lied. I just googled to find the one way time and found that.

All someone from either of those places needs to do is to take a vaca to the other to confirm or disprove the theory no?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Two sticks equal shadow argument?

« on: June 10, 2017, 04:41:27 AM »

And the shadow thing holds no weight? That flat or round we get different length shadows? That's what I would imagine.

Flat or round, you get different shadows at different latitudes, yes.  There is however a difference between the shadows you should expect at different latitudes on a flat earth, and the shadows you should expect at different latitudes on a round earth.  Have you taken ever any trigonometry classes?  We can explain why the shadows that are actually observed correspond to a round earth, and why the flat earth has to resort to hypothetical (and unobservable) effects of perspective to explain those shadows, but it will require some understanding of trig for it to make sense.

Okay, that's good enough for now for that particular question. And no, up to some algebra only for me. Thanks tho. 'it's complicated' so I'll either have to drive in deep, which I don't have time for really or just let you guys hash is out and see what happens. Are you sure it's flat? Are most people in here for examine sure? I wonder if people just believe something to believe something. Are you absolutely convinced, and if so do you believe the rest of the world is so duped they can't bother to question the topic?

I can watch a couple fe videos and be convinced but at the same time I'm sure any RE'er could convince me of the contrary lol. But you guys seem so convinced which makes this thing so interesting to me.

What about the sun setting? What causes the bottom to be cut off?

And does this mean aliens are all CGI? Never mind that if I've gone too far.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Two sticks equal shadow argument?

« on: June 08, 2017, 07:10:34 PM »

If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow:

Why do you say that?

The shadow effect works just as well on a Flat Earth, take a torch and hold it up in the air, now get some matchsticks and walk around in a sand pit, the shadows will depend on where the torch light is focused, they won't all be uniform or produce the same shadow effect. The torch, like the sun, is a lot closer than we are led to believe.

It is true that Flat Earth Theory (FET) can produce different length shadows in different parts of the world at the same moment in time...and so does Round Earth Theory (RET).

The problem is that FET predicts shadow lengths that don't match what we really see.  This is actually the exact same problem as that FET predicts that the sun should never set...they aren't different problems - just different ways of thinking about it.

So the "fix" for this (mentioned in one of the many threads here just a few days ago) is that FET claims that the sun sets because of the effects of perspective...which in FET somehow behaves differently than in RET.

Furthermore - the reason the FE sun doesn't seem to change size as it gets closer and further from the observer is because it's so bright that the air "cannot grab it's light" and do the perspective thing to make it smaller.

Now...this is actually a completely untenable solution - but it's one of those things that's hard to convince flat-earthers of because they are somewhat math/geometry averse and when explanations get tricky, they simply stop responding to the discussions.   Just check the MANY threads on this forum where I'm the last poster...in almost every case, my final point could not be rationalized in FET...so it just hangs there, eternally awaiting an answer.   At no point does anyone say "Oh!  You're right!  The Earth must be round!!"...this NEVER HAPPENS here.  Which is...challenging.

Sorry, that was a bit confusing. You think it's round? And just as I thought it gets confusing. I think you said, in answer to my question why does the sun appear to set behind the (round)earth, because the sun is so bright. Or not? And the shadow thing holds no weight? That flat or round we get different length shadows? That's what I would imagine.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Two sticks equal shadow argument?

« on: June 08, 2017, 12:45:16 AM »

"4. Shadows and Sticks
If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow:
...

But they don’t. This is because the earth is round, and not flat:
... "

It's from this page:

http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-7

And I guess I've seen it elsewhere. I'm not sure if it's related to that wiki link posted above.

I don't know what to make of most of the points as I'm not the smartest scientist or mathematician so I can't really delve too deep into this stuff but I just trying to get comments from people who know better. OR... If you know specifically what I could check out to get me an answer to a particular question pls share a link. I don't want to be redundant with my question but I know so little I wouldn't know where to start with limited time. So I'd appreciate any comments particularly polite ones. But I'll take rude ones too.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Two sticks equal shadow argument?

« on: June 07, 2017, 11:47:16 PM »

Does that wiki link explain how the survey  loses its shape? I didn't catch  it if it did.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Two sticks equal shadow argument?

« on: June 07, 2017, 11:38:40 PM »

Calm down "sexwarrior". Sounds like someone hasn't had theirs today. But i feel ya. You're trying to keep the forum tidy. So I'll try to do more research before posting - FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! No cyber assault pls

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Flat Earth Theory / Two sticks equal shadow argument?

« on: June 07, 2017, 11:06:55 PM »

I'm new to this whole flat earth thing and am just trying to figure out what all the confusion is about. I don't believe either way but I find it fascinating that for some reason it hasn't been settled.

So what about this shadow argument I've seen I'm sure you guys know of. Is there any weight to it? I thought about it and could imagine different length shadows on a flat earth depending on the distance of the sticks to the sun. The closer it is shouldn't the shadow be longer?

Also, how come the sun loses it's shape, like it's being eclipsed by the horizon as it sets? All I've seen/heard/read is the perspective argument. If that was the case then it should just shrink rather than appear to be eclipsed by getting its underside cut off by the apparent edge of the visible earth that appears to move in front of the sun no?

So I'll just start with those two but the whole thing is confusing I can't help but assume someone with the right education should know better. I'm guessing I'm about to find it gets a whole lot more fuzzy and confusing or there is a case of mass ignorance taking place. You tell me.