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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What is the Sun?
« on: July 19, 2017, 06:09:39 AM »
Again Tom refuses to provide actual links.  Interesting that he said in a reply he is at school.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What is the Sun?
« on: July 17, 2017, 10:06:32 PM »
Tom continues to avoid current experiments and uses carefully crafted words to try to prove a FE.  He has a problem with links to proof from the last 10 years.

Yeah, very much weasel words:  "Morrow...(makes) the same conclusions that water is not convex."....well, Morrow concluded that the water was concave ...which, I'll admit means that he thought it was "not convex" - but it doesn't mean "flat"...it means "concave".

They are not weasel words. Some of Rowbotham's experiments may be used in favor of a concave earth theory. Morrow references Robotham's experiments in his work as a proof against convexity and adds some of his own which suggest that the earth may be concave.

The Flat Earth is a logical conclusion from the results of Rowbotham's investigation and from a multitude of many other points Rowbotham brings up in the book. Experiment 2 and 3 in particular seems to suggest that the earth is flat and not concave, and are slightly different experiments than the basic convexity experiment.

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The fact that Mr Bishop can only seem to point to totally archaic documents as evidence is quite damning.

You guys bring up 3000 year old sinking ship effects and lunar eclipse proofs on a daily basis. What does that make you?
Still we wait for you to provide details of current experiments.  Specific links.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What is the Sun?
« on: July 17, 2017, 07:51:03 PM »
Tom continues to avoid current experiments and uses carefully crafted words to try to prove a FE.  He has a problem with links to proof from the last 10 years.

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Why do you not give details?  Without that we must assume you have none.

We gave created an entire website for you with a literature section containing links to books and journals, most of which perform or reference a water convexity experiment.
As requested please provide links to experiments conducted in the last 10 years.

There have been recent experiments, including laser experiments, all which are easily searchable on youtube and google. Feel free to complete the rest of this journey for yourself.
I would like you to provide some specific links please.

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Quote from: inquisitive
Why do you not give details?  Without that we must assume you have none.

We gave created an entire website for you with a literature section containing links to books and journals, most of which perform or reference a water convexity experiment.
As requested please provide links to experiments conducted in the last 10 years.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Help me, I'm being deceived
« on: July 16, 2017, 03:40:58 AM »
The operation of GPS systems is known, understood and documented.

Also the measurement of the angle of the sun from multiple positions at different times proves a round earth.

Why not post the measurements for us then?
Refer to the various websites that do.  Also see those that give the angles for aligning satellite dishes.

Provide the links rather than saying "various websites." Thank you.
http://www.geosats.com/lookangle.html
https://www.sunearthtools.com/dp/tools/pos_sun.php?lang=en
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position_of_the_Sun
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/

Thise are calculators, not "measurements of the angle of the sun from multiple positions at different times." Please post the real proof this time, thanks!
We know the shape of the earth and these use that to calculate the results.  If you have any proof that the earth is any other shape then please provide it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_path describes the path of the sun, is there anything you disagree with?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Help me, I'm being deceived
« on: July 16, 2017, 03:22:34 AM »
The operation of GPS systems is known, understood and documented.

Also the measurement of the angle of the sun from multiple positions at different times proves a round earth.

Why not post the measurements for us then?
Refer to the various websites that do.  Also see those that give the angles for aligning satellite dishes.

Provide the links rather than saying "various websites." Thank you.
http://www.geosats.com/lookangle.html
https://www.sunearthtools.com/dp/tools/pos_sun.php?lang=en
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position_of_the_Sun
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Help me, I'm being deceived
« on: July 15, 2017, 09:23:04 PM »
The operation of GPS systems is known, understood and documented.

Also the measurement of the angle of the sun from multiple positions at different times proves a round earth.

Why not post the measurements for us then?
Refer to the various websites that do.  Also see those that give the angles for aligning satellite dishes.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Help me, I'm being deceived
« on: July 15, 2017, 09:13:55 PM »
The operation of GPS systems is known, understood and documented.

Also the measurement of the angle of the sun from multiple positions at different times proves a round earth.

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Yes, it is possible. Rowbotham's experiments do not discount the possibility of concavity, only convexity. It's called "Earth Not a Globe" not "The Earth is Flat". It is primarily a book of skepticism against the globe model, and an exposé that what know about astronomy and the earth is wrong.

There are societies who believe that the earth is concave and who will often quote Rowbotham's works as a disproof of the globular model. It was Rowbotham's post-enlightenment questioning of the globe, in fact, which got people thinking about other models. Per the concave earth theory; there are some models which propose that we live on the inside of a bowl, and there are others which propose that we live on the inside of a hollow earth. Look up the book "The Cellular Cosmogony" by Cyrus Teed.
Which statements in the book have proved to be correct when tested in the last 10 years?

The water convexity experiments have been tested and confirmed.
Why do you not give details?  Without that we must assume you have none.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
« on: July 10, 2017, 06:46:50 AM »
Alright, as dad as I am concerned, not one flat earther has provided a credible answer to my questions. No one is willing to launch their own balloon. No one will provide proof of this ice wall. No one will provide one shred of proof of a flat earth. And as usual when enough concreat proof has been provided they burry their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

What are you talking about? Your "concrete proof" video was discredited in the second post of this thread.
Measurements of distances and the angle of the sun prove a round earth, repeated because you cannot disprove this.

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Yes, it is possible. Rowbotham's experiments do not discount the possibility of concavity, only convexity. It's called "Earth Not a Globe" not "The Earth is Flat". It is primarily a book of skepticism against the globe model, and an exposé that what know about astronomy and the earth is wrong.

There are societies who believe that the earth is concave and who will often quote Rowbotham's works as a disproof of the globular model. It was Rowbotham's post-enlightenment questioning of the globe, in fact, which got people thinking about other models. Per the concave earth theory; there are some models which propose that we live on the inside of a bowl, and there are others which propose that we live on the inside of a hollow earth. Look up the book "The Cellular Cosmogony" by Cyrus Teed.
Which statements in the book have proved to be correct when tested in the last 10 years?

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Wall
« on: July 10, 2017, 06:40:45 AM »
The Ice Wall is the coast of Antarctica, which has naturally formed 150 foot tall walls of ice along its coast; massive glaciers which are known as ice shelves (if resting on water) or ice walls (if resting on land). These walls of ice at the Antarctic coast also exist in the Round Earth model.
What is the length of the wall?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Antarctic 24-hour sun cycle
« on: July 10, 2017, 06:39:45 AM »
The example is for visualization purposes only. The continents are warped because it's just a projection of the globe model. The actual locations of the continents may differ as well (ie. Australia could be on the left side)
Why do you not have a map of the flat earth with accurate measurements?  Or why do all measurements of the earth prove it to be round?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Distance from North Pole to Equator on FE
« on: June 08, 2017, 04:50:43 PM »
I don't know what all the fuss is about. We are constantly told to look in "the Wiki" and there we find:
Quote from: the Wiki
Latitude
To locate your latitude on the flat earth, it's important to know the following fact: The degrees of the earth's latitude are based upon the angle of the sun in the sky at noon equinox.
That's why 0° N/S sits on the equator where the sun is directly overhead, and why 90° N/S sits at the poles where the sun is at a right angle to the observer. At 45 North or South from the equator, the sun will sit at an angle 45° in the sky. The angle of the sun past zenith is our latitude.
Knowing that as you recede North or South from the equator at equinox, the sun will descend at a pace of one degree per 69.5 miles, we can even derive our distance from the equator based upon the position of the sun in the sky.

This would make the North Pole to Equator on FE 90 x 69.5 miles = 6,255 miles.

Napolean, however, got in on the act and defined the metre as (Distance from North Pole to Equator)/10,000,000.,
making the North Pole to Equator distance 10,000 km, or 6,214 miles.

So "the Wiki" is not far off, but it would be better if it had one degree per 69.0 miles instead of "one degree per 69.5 miles.

This is also closer the figure for the diameter given in "the Wiki".
Quote from: the Wiki
The Ice Wall
The figure of 24,900 miles is the diameter of the known world;

The figures should align. I believe that some of those pages are talking about Statute Miles, which are different than regular miles. I will review the Wiki when I have time to make sure everything makes sense.
Use kilometers like the rest of the world.

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The earth is most likely flat, because that is what is observed.

The earth most likely has two poles, because two poles have been observed.

The firmament most likely does not exist, because it has not been observed.

The earth is most likely endless, because it is seemingly endless. No end has been observed.
You have a strange style of writing in statements, as if this give your words more authority...

In 2017 we have moved on from 'most likely'.

The earth has not been observed as flat.  We see the movement of the sun, measured distances, angle of the sun, satellites, GPS etc. as proof.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Let's develop here
« on: May 02, 2017, 07:08:04 PM »
There is 30 millions flat earth believers outside. We need to be more active, to reach them. Lets transform here into a research, development and discussion environment.

Fire at will.
A very dodgy calculation.  More like 29,999,990 non believers who wonder why anybody thinks the earth is flat when they see the sun move above and around them.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Expedition
« on: May 01, 2017, 08:56:43 PM »
What good would it be to prove that there is a 150 foot wall of ice at the Antarctic coast when the Round Earth Theory also postulates that there is a wall of ice at its coast?

It doesn't predict the same thing and that difference would be indisputable proof that the Earth, not a Globe.

Round Earth Theory also says that there is a 150 foot wall at the coast of Antarctica known as Ice Shelves and Ice Walls. The only difference is the length of Antarctica's coast, which appears as a rim continent in the monopole model.

If we were to risk our lives and travel along the harsh and freezing waters of the Antarctic coast and find it to be a continent, what benefit would it really get us? We would just say that the Flat Earth models where Antarctica is a continent is the most correct.

Once there, if we were to find that Antarctica actually was a rim continent, we may very well find ourselves unprepared and ill-supplied for the length of journey, harsh conditions, and the navigational challenges of getting back home, and perish in the process. So, there is no significant benefit of doing this, really.
Surely you would go prepared for it to be size that is shown in various flat earth maps which many here believe are correct.

One question - how would you know where you are?  What would you use to navigate?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If the Earth were really round...
« on: April 21, 2017, 07:07:59 PM »
Links have been posted to sites that calculate the elevation and azimuth of a dish as used by installers across the world. 
What does this have to do with the shape of the earth?

'You' have provided no evidence of an alternative explanation.
Was I supposed to provide evidence for a discussion I was not a part of?
Do measurements from various points of elevation and azimuth to fixed objects like sun and satellites to calculate shape of object we are on.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If the Earth were really round...
« on: April 21, 2017, 05:16:47 PM »
You are disagreeing with known accepted information. 
Where did I do that?

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If you disagree with measured distances of Australia then 'you' need to provide your version.  It's easy to say 'prove it' yet you have not provided your measurements.

Similarly the operation of satellites with dish angles proves a transmitter over the equator, see the various angle calculators and check their maths.

Was this supposed to be relevant? In the amount of time you have spent posting, it seems you could have just provided evidence for your claims.
What would you accept as evidence of eg. satellite operation on a round earth?  Links have been posted to sites that calculate the elevation and azimuth of a dish as used by installers across the world.  'You' have provided no evidence of an alternative explanation.

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